From: João S. Lopes Filho
Message: 11043
Date: 2001-11-06
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From: Dr. Antonio Sciarretta <sciarretta@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: [tied] partes tres
> At 12:54 05.11.2001 +0000, you wrote:
>
> > What language did the inhabitants of Caesar's "partes tres",
> >specifically Galli and Belgae, speak?
>
> I can say that in Belgica we find a lot of clearly Gall (then p-Celtic)
> place-names, with characteristic II terms such as -durum 'fortress'
> (Batavodurum < etn. Batavi, Dividurum < prob. gall. 'divine, god' < celt.
> *deiuo-s, Ganodurum), -magus 'field' (Borbetomagus < prob. gall.
'bubbling'
> < *bher-u-, cfr. lat. ferveo, Neomagus < gall. *novios 'new' , Ratomagus <
> gall. 'fence' < celt. *ratis), -dunum 'castle' (Lugdunum), -briva 'bridge'
> (Samarobriva).
> But otherwise, we can find also toponyms that maybe could be related to
> Germanic. For example, what do you think about Mocontiacum < IE *muk-
> 'marsh', cfr. latv. muka 'id.' with *u > *au (in Germanic) > *o ?
> And about Mosa fl. < IE *mus- 'moss', cfr. lith. musos, ohg. mos, oicel.
> mosi- 'id.', with the same phonetic feature ?
> This could mean that Belgica was considered a land with mixed people,
> resulted from the (partial) fusion of Celtic and Germanic speakers.
> But in the same region we find at least one trace of a non-Celtic,
> non-Germanic language in the toponymy: it is the name of Tabula fl., if we
> etymologise it from the root *(s)tebh- 'stone' (and then, 'river with
> stones'), cfr. opr. Stabis, lyd. Taba, sabine Tebae, *pelasg. Thebai. This
> root would appear with /o/ both in Celtic and Germanic languages, so it
> should be related to the 'alteuropaeisch' stratum, considered more ancient
> than the historical languages known.
>
> >Any connection with the p/q
> >division? (Yes, I looked at the backlog, but the question didn't seem
> >to be resolved then?)
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