Re: [tied] Re: Goths: IE Languages vs Germanic

This is the conventional orthography used for the older Germanic languages; it is not supposed to be pronounced with a marked English accent :). In <gut-þiuda>, the "thorn" letter <þ> is a fricative, pronounced like English <th> in <thin>, and <iu> is a diphthong [iu] (or [iw], if you prefer). If you've ever met speakers of Welsh English, [iu] is what they have in <new> and <grew>. In <gottHoi>, <tH> (Greek "theta") is an aspirated stop ([tH] with a strong burst). Presumably the same pronunciation was intended by the Roman writers who used the spelling <gothi>. Germanic <þ> was conventionally substituted with <tH> when calqued into Greek/Latin. The pronunciation was not quite the same; it was just the closest approximation available to the Classical writers.

Piotr

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Subject: [tied] Re: Goths: IE Languages vs Germanic

--- In cybalist@......, "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@......> wrote: > This strengthens my guess that <gottHoi> was inluenced by <gutþiuda- >. > > Piotr > if you indulge my beginner knowledge how are theses words this pronounced. GutPiuda _ a 'hard' gut gott hoi - a ' hard' Gott Goth - a soft -th Are we in essence saying that Goth, gott, and gut are the same. Incidently 'Gut' - means a group, to emphasize ,a 'close group' in Hindi, Punjabi. In english there is often a tendencey to spell words one way and pronounce them in another way. In sanskrit, hindi etc the phoenetics and the spelling are close. Clarification would ne most welcome. Regards Ravi

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