Re: [tied] Re: Birds

Ah, yes. But, ornithologically speaking, these original "penguins" are more correctly called great auks and are now extinct (and so rarer than the capercailzie). Which said, both etymologies are beyond reproach.

"Coot" (as well as Dutch "koet") are connected by some with Welsh "cwtair"

Piotr wrote:

> Will "coot" and "grebe" do?

I think they are both analysable as > ultimately Brythonic, even if borrowed indirectly. I was actually thinking of "gull" and "penguin". My English dictionary says "coot" is from Middle Dutch "coet" and leaves it at that. For "grebe" it just gives French "grèbe", and my small dictionnaire étymologique says "origine inconnue" for "grèbe".

I find:

koet [vogel]: middelnl. coet, cuut, eng. kite [wouw], hd. Kauz [uil], genoemd naar het geluid, vgl. gr. goè [weeklacht], oudindisch gavate [hij klinkt], jogù [luidzingend, prijzend].

And:

koet vogelnaam waarsch. naar zijn geluid, vgl. koeteren, zie: meerkoet.

Onomatopoeic?

Marc