Re: Numbering schemes adopted for Vinaya Piṭaka

 

Dear Balaji,

the reference in Thanissaro’s translation is correct. It reads Mv VI 40.1 You mistook that for Mv IV. It is in Vin I 250f.

The CPD simply says that it marks the different layers of the Vinaya, but for the rest simply explains that the Vinaya is quoted according to Ee (European edition = PTS) according to vols., and pages and lines.

Best,

Petra

Am 11.12.2016 um 17:58 schrieb Balaji balaji.ramasubramanian@...com [palistudy] <palistudy@yahoogroups.com>:

Hi all,

Thanks a lot for all this. Yesterday, I came across another English translation from the Vinaya with a reference like this: "Mv.IV.40.1". Now I am completely lost. Mv.IV is pavāraṇakkhandhaka, which has 27 stories in it. How does the numbering Mv.IV.40.1 work?

I looked up the Critical Pali Dictionary:

Vin

1.2

Vinayapiṭaka, Ee: vol. (I-—V), page and line; one asterisk [e. g. I 25,23*, V 216,2*] ɔ: metrical lext; two asterisks [e. g. IV 100,10**] ɔ: sikkhāpada; an accent [e. g. IV 100,2o'] ɔ: padabhājanīya.

I am completely lost in searching.

The content I am looking for is called "The Innate Principles of the Vinaya", the first of the selected texts of king Ashoka. I wanted to find the original Pāḷi and see if I was satisfied with the translation.

Once again, as a person quite familiar with the Sutta Piṭaka, I feel frustrated at the lack of uniformity in citing texts from the Vinaya. I can only imagine what a nightmare this must be for one unfamiliar with the Pāḷi Canon, PTS, and all these conventions. :-)

Thanks,

Balaji

Balaji

On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 7:49 AM, 'Jim Anderson' jimanderson.on@gmail.com [palistudy] <palistudy@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Hi Balaji,

It's been quite awhile since I read Bhikkhu Kashyap's introduction which
should be a good place to find more information on the source's for his
edited versions of the cananonical books.

I found an informative biography on him and his life work on Wikipedia at
this link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagdish_Kashyap

He was born in 1908 in Bihar and died in 1976. He got his Masters at Benares
Hindu University 1931-2 and was ordained a bhikkhu in 1933 in Sri Lanka. He
was a bit of a radical with some run-ins with the establishment such as
practising meditation in a forest hermitage in Sri Lanka which was unusual
for a bhikkhu in the 1930s. His large Pāli Mahāvyākaraṇa grammar in Hindi
was published in 1940 which can also be downloaded from the same website for 
the Mahāvagga.

Best wishes,

Jim

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Subject: Re: [palistudy] Numbering schemes adopted for Vinaya Piṭaka

Hi Petra and Jim,

Thanks a lot for all your help. All this was very informative indeed. Was
this book by Bhikkhu Jagadīsakassapo the source for the Chaṭṭha Saṅghāyana?
I noticed that the PDF of the Mahāvagga had a few interesting footnotes. It
seems that these are alternate spellings found for a few words in a
different edition of the Tipiṭaka - I wasn't able to tell which one.
Anyway, it seems that CSCD has sometimes taken the alternative spelling,
and sometimes the one in the main text of the Bhikkhu
Jagadīsakassapo version. I also noticed that the 1956 book often seems to
be missing the *anussāra* (nasal ṃ). The scan does have the *anussāra*

clearly printed in some places. But in some places, it is missing.

Anyway, thanks a lot for your responses. I had not known until today about
so many online Pāḷi resources.

Thanks,
Balaji

Balaji

On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 3:12 PM, 'Jim Anderson' jimanderson.on@gmail.com
[palistudy] <palistudy@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> Dear Balaji,
>
> As your preferred script for reading Pāli is Devanāgarī, you might be
> interested in downloading a pdf copy of a printed Indian 1956 edition of
> the
> Mahāvagga from the following Indian website:
>
> http://www.dli.ernet.in/handle/2015/486150
>
> There are Burmese and PTS page references in the margins and R 197 starts
> on
> p. 215 of the printed text. Type 253 in the Adobe goto page window.
>
> In the late 1970s you could order the complete Tipiṭaka set of 41 volumes
> from Motilal Banarsidass for about $50 including the postage. I managed to
> get 40 of those volumes back then. The general editor of the set is J.
> Kashyap and the editon is mainly based on the Burmese BCS which was also
> being printed around the same time.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jim
>
>
>