Dear Bryan and Lennart,
Thank you both for your responses. Although Neumann's interpretation of
"thirst for well-being" for vibhavataṃhā is interesting, it doesn't agree
with that of the Visuddhimagga:
Yadā pana tadevārammaṇaṃ “ucchijjati vinassatī”ti pavattāya ucchedadiṭṭhiyā
saddhiṃ pavattati, tadā vibhavataṇhā nāma hoti. Ucchedadiṭṭhisahagato hi
rāgo vibhavataṇhāti vuccati. (Vri Vism 2.200)
I found a passage with explanations of "vibhūto" in the Padamālā which
includes a quote from that Sn verse:
Visesena bhūtoti vibhūto. Vissuto bhūtoti vā vibhūto, “vibhūtārammaṇan”ti
idametassatthassa sādhakaṃ vacanaṃ. Vibhavīti vā vibhūto, vinaṭṭhoti attho,
“rūpe vibhūte na phusanti phassā”ti idametassatthassa sādhakaṃ vacanaṃ.
(Sadd 1.106, see also at PTS I 78-9).
I take it here that "vibhūte" in "rūpe vibhūte" has the sense of "vinaṭṭhe"
(disappeared, vanished). This is clearer than the Niddesa-aṭṭhakathā gloss
of "vītivatte" and supports Bhikkhu Bodhi's translation of the term in the
Niddesa passage. I still don't know what to make of the AN 11.10 passage
with vibhūtā.
Best wishes,
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Levman" <bryan.levman@...>
To: <palistudy@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [palistudy] vibhūta in AN 11.10
Dear Lennart,
Thanks for this brief introduction to Newmann's work. It certainly gives a
whole different meaning to the second noble truth. Now the passage from the
Padamālā that Jim quoted makes sense,
Mettā,
Bryan
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From: Lennart Lopin <novalis78@...>
To: palistudy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:25:48 AM
Subject: [palistudy] vibhūta in AN 11.10
Dear Jim, Lance
> As I'll be leaving in a few days and be offline for 3 weeks, I don't have
> much time left for this interesting descussion on the *real* meaning of
> "vībhūtā" in AN 11.10. However, I'd like to add a few observations from my
> own investigation of the meaning so far which may be of interest to some.
> Keep in mind that in addition to the Tipiṭaka I also have a high regard
> for
> the commentaries as well as the Pali grammar tradition...
>