Re: bhavata.nhaa vs. ta.nhaa for bhava

Dear Dan,
the question is more complex, different classifications. In the Vis. XVII,
233, under craving, it is as Jim said, when with eternity view one assumes
an object to be lasting, there is craving for becoming. But when we look
under cankers, asavas, we have: kaamaasava, bhavaasava, di.t.thaasava and
avijjaasava. In the Vis. XXII, about abandoning, 70, it is as I suggested.
In the Abhidhammata Sangaha, now on line as the Guide, in my translation of
Ven. Narada, there is a note about tanhaa: (Ch on Paticcasamuppaada) this
has the two classifications, first one , bhavatanhaa with eternity view, and
second: bhavatanhaa and vibhavatanhaa are also interpreteted as attachment
to ruupa and aruupa planes. I think it depends under what aspect and what
heading realities are classified.
I would think that craving for birth that is not birth in sensuous planes
can be classified as bhavatanha and I think that this in the case of ariyans
is not involved with wrong view. But they can still long for the results of
jhana, until they have become an arahat.

op 04-07-2002 13:53 schreef onco111 op dhd5@...:

> Wonderful, Nina! Thanks for clearing this up for me. It was a little
> worrisome to have to invariably read di.t.thi into bhavata.nhaa. Is
> your explanation given so simply and clearly somewhere in the canon?
>
> Dan
>
>>
>>> Jim: ...The 'bhava' in 'bhavata.nhaa' refers to the eternalistic
> view
>>> (sassatadi.t.thi). I had to check with the commentaries for this
>>> explanation which goes something like this: passion/desire (raaga)
>>> accompanied by the eternalistic view. Di.t.thi has to be read in
>>> between bhava and ta.nhaa.