Re: AN I.51-52, translation

--- In palistudy@..., Robert Kirkpatrick <robertkirkpatrick@...>
wrote:
> Dear Amara,
> thanks for this. I was wondering about this matter ever since
> Jim mentioned it . I thought teng kee had a good point about the
> akusala  vipaka that conditions the bhavanga citta in lower
> realms but it also seems that the texts don't make the
> distinction (about being luminous) based on plane of birth. Is
> luminous the translation of pandara?
> robert


Dear Robert

I think we had better ask Jim, Nina and Tadao about this, but
according to the SPD pandara means purity, but our experts will
certainly have much more to say,

Amara






> --- Amara <joychay@...> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Jim and Teng Kee,
> >
> > I have checked with one of the foundation experts who has
> > confirmed
> > what Jim has explained below; all citta that function as
> > bhavanga
> > citta, no matter in which world, are not involved in the vithi
> > citta
> > processes of the senses, and therefore no kilesa arise in that
> > instant
> > of citta.  Although it is also said that in the hell worlds
> > the
> > bhavanga rarely arises because there could be no sleep because
> > of the
> > intense suffering, all bhavanga citta that arise between the
> > vithi are
> > still pure, 'pandara'. 
> >
> > Anumodana with all your studies, as well as your sharing,
> >
> > Amara
> >
> >
> > --- In palistudy@..., "Jim Anderson" <jimanderson_on@...>
> > wrote:
> > > Dear Teng Kee,
> > >
> > > >Hi,
> > > >I always thinking what kind of bhavanga I am in.Among
> > > >the eight vipaka and also which  bhavanga  is buddha
> > > >in.i do not think peta ,hell have the luminous
> > > >bhavanga like us since they have the other inferior
> > > >vipaka bhavanga.
> > >
> > > It appears that my comment about luminous bhavangacitta for
> > beings
> > of the
> > > lower realms has raised a few eyebrows. I understand that 19
> > types
> > of cittas
> > > can function as bhavangacittas and are either accompanied by
> > upekkha
> > or
> > > somanassa and all are free of defilements. So to my way of
> > thinking
> > that
> > > would make them all pure and hence luminous
> > (metaphorically). There
> > is just
> > > one type of bhavangacitta for beings of the lower realms
> > which is
> > no. 56.
> > > Just as akusala cittas can follow luminous bhavangacittas,
> > so it
> > seems that
> > > luminous bhavangacittas can follow akusala cittas.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > >
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