Re: Anyobody know this sutta?

Dear Jim and Robert,

Just a curiosity at this point, I guess.  Seems that
'bases' or 'grounds' would have been fine.  Still not
the strangest (or most misleading) translation I've
run across--'name and form' for nama and rupa, for
example(!).  Thanks for the hard look.

mike

--- Robert Kirkpatrick
<robertkirkpatrick@...> wrote:
> Dear Jim,
> I was wondering if the translator was thinking of
> the ayatana as
> sense bases - which are also 'doors' and thus came
> up with the
> idea of avenue.
> Of course always better to go with the commentary
> and since
> there was a definition there I wonder why they
> didn't simply
> follow it.
> robert
> --- Jim Anderson <jimanderson_on@...> wrote:
> > Dear Mike,
> >
> > >Have I missed something (I've just skimmed this
> so
> > >maybe I have) but where does the original
> question re.
> > >'avenues' come in?  I can't find a connection
> between
> > >aayatanaa and avenues.
> >
> > After taking another look, I think the translation
> of
> > 'avenues' for
> > aayatanani is probably off-base. I couldn't find
> anything in
> > CPD, PED, or
> > Buddhadatta's dictionary to support 'avenues'. If
> we take the
> > commentarial
> > meaning of 'kaara.naani' we should choose a word
> like grounds,
> > bases,
> > causes, conditions, or occasions. It appears that
> there are 3
> > ways to derive
> > 'aayatana': 1) pref. aa + root yat + affix ana; 2)
> pref. aa +
> > root i + root
> > tan + a; 3) pref. aa + yat + a + na (from root nii
> - to lead).
> > I'm not sure
> > why the translator chose 'avenues' and one can
> only make
> > guesses. It should
> > be noted that path (magga) can be taken as a cause
> or
> > condition as in the
> > ariyan 8-fold path being the condition for the
> cessation of
> > dukkha. Maybe
> > the translator was thinking of the Vimuttimagga.
> >
> > best wishes,
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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