Re: Samyutta Number Conversion Table {RE: [Pali] Re: how does samyu

Thanks Ven. Kumara. I frequently re-read suttas, but I tend to read Samyutta
less than the others because of the confusing numbering scheme and
difficulty in finding what Im looking for in those 3 thousand suttas spread
over 2 volumes (b.bodhis book). Now that were in a digital age I hope
people can standardize on a more sensible addressing scheme, but until then
the general table chart is indeed very useful.

Its pretty incredible that the entire pali canon, dictionaries,
visuddhimagga, abidhamma all fit in 25 megabytes compressed. Has anyone
tried to run the DPR on an iphone or other PDA yet?

-Frank

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From: Pali@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Pali@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kumâra
Bhikkhu
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 2:20 AM
To: Pali@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Samyutta Number Conversion Table {RE: [Pali] Re: how does samyutta
map to DPR?}

Promoted by Frank's effort, I decided to solve an outstanding issue (as I
did for MLDB by creating a sutta name index).

Samyutta Number Conversion Table
http://f1.grp
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Table for easy conversion between traditional (DPR, CSCD) and modern (ATI,
CBD) of samyutta numbering.

This should be easier for you, Branko.

Should anyone like to have the source file, which I created with OOo Calc,
please feel free to ask me. While it's now in ODS format, I don't mind
converting it into Excel or HTML format.

kb, a geek monk

Branislav Kovacevic wrote thus at 03:54 23/11/2009:

>Dear Frank,
>unfortunately I'm not able to understand your algorithm. Obviously I'm not

a computer geek :)

>but have confidence it will be useful to more computer literate ones...
>
>Metta
>Branko
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>--- On Sun, 11/22/09, frank <fcckuan@... <mailto:fcckuan%40gmail.com>

com> wrote:

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>From: frank <fcckuan@... <mailto:fcckuan%40gmail.com> com>
>Subject: RE: [Pali] Re: how does samyutta map to DPR?
>To: Pali@... <mailto:Pali%40yahoogroups.com> com
>Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 5:20 PM
>
>Hi Branko,
>
> I think I understand now. This is the algorithm I came up with based on
>the info you provided: I made a color HTML table describing the conversion
>formula, which I uploaded to the pali files section.
>http://f1.grp

<http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/EG4JS7B_xjrcMOk4A3H9IPMJ_2HtkhM9hFmhBprOTvv8v8
v> yahoofs.com/v1/EG4JS7B_xjrcMOk4A3H9IPMJ_2HtkhM9hFmhBprOTvv8v8v

>mNon0YtDyhIepU_bSN4i-sMYBZ-vi0vf8WcWpZeT3878R/calculate_samyutta_num_in%20_

>PR.html .
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>Please have a look to verify the formula is correct.
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>-Frank
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>From: Pali@... <mailto:Pali%40yahoogroups.com> com

[mailto:Pali@... <mailto:Pali%40yahoogroups.com> com] On Behalf Of

>Branislav Kovacevic
>Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 2:28 AM
>To: Pali@... <mailto:Pali%40yahoogroups.com> com
>Subject: [Pali] Re: how does samyutta map to DPR?
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>Dear Frank
>
>Samyutta Nikaya is organized in three levels. The first is comprised of

five

>vaggas:
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> 1 Sagâtha-vagga (samyuttas 1-11)
> 2 Nidâna-vagga (12-21)
> 3 Khandha-vagga (22-34)
> 4 Salâyatana-vagga (35-44)
> 5 Mahâ-vagga (45-56I)
>
>which are comprised of samyuttas and their numbers are indicated in

brackets

>above. These samyuttas are further divided into vaggas (again, which usualy
>have 10 suttas). Therefore in DPR you have "Book" (vaggas) dropdown menu
>(1-5) and another three below for: samyuttas, vaggas, suttas
>
>Following your example of Rahogata Sutta, SN 36.11, you shoud choose Book 4
>(Salâyatana-vagga, 35-44) and further in the three dropdown menus second
>item, Vedana Samyutta (36), which is divided into 3 vaggas. Since you are
>looking for 11th sutta, it will be probably in the second vagga. Therefore
>choose Rahogatta vagga and in the last menu the first sutta is the one you
>are looking for.
>
>I hope this is clear enough for you to search for other suttas too.
>
>Metta
>Branko
>
>--- On Sun, 11/22/09, frank <fcckuan@... <mailto:fcckuan%40gmail.com>
>com> wrote:
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>From: frank <fcckuan@... <mailto:fcckuan%40gmail.com> com>
>Subject: how does samyutta map to DPR? RE: Duroiselle (Re: Q. [Pali]
>Dhammacakkappavattanasutta)
>To: Pali@... <mailto:Pali%40yahoogroups.com> com
>Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 5:04 AM
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>
>First,
>
>Thanks for the great work on DPR! It's really an awesome tool that makes
>
>things much easier than lugging around and flipping through lots of

physical

>
>books. I'm hoping someone can explain how the different numbering systems
>
>work on the samyutta basket. I see DPR has 5 "books", each book as severl
>
>subdivisinos. What I'm trying to figure out is how to map the numbering
>
>scheme on Thanissaro's access to insight samyutta English translations to

>
>a side by side comparison with DPR. The current example of what I'm trying
>
>to research:
>
>http://www.accessto insight.org/ tipitaka/ sn/sn36/sn36. 011.than. html
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>which has this sutta heading:
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>SN 36.11
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>PTS: S iv 216
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>CDB ii 1270
>
>Rahogata Sutta: Alone
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>In DPR, there I just looked through books 1 through 5 until I finally found
>
>rahogata sutta in book 4, under rahogata vaggo. Is that the correct sutta?

>
>haven't started doing a word by word scan through DPR, but just looking at
>
>the rough word counts between the English sutta at ATI and the DPR version,
>
>the DPR version looks a lot shorter.
>
>In thanissaro's translation, paragraph 3:
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>"And I have also taught the step-by-step cessation of fabrications. When

one

>
>has attained the first jhana, speech has ceased. When one has attained the
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>second jhana, directed thought & evaluation have ceased. When one has
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>attained the third jhana, rapture has ceased. When one has attained the
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>fourth jhana, in-and-out breathing has ceased. When one has attained the
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>dimension of the infinitude of space, the perception of forms has ceased.
>
>I wanted to look up the DPR pali so I can try to track down what pali
>
>Thanissaro based his translation for "speech has ceased" in first jhana.
>
>But in general I sure would like to make some sense out of how Samyuttas

are

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>organized, and which mapping scheme corresponds with the one DPR is using.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>-Frank
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