Dear Yong Peng,
Op 18-jun-2009, om 16:45 heeft Ong Yong Peng het volgende geschreven:
> Nina, you mentioned MN111 in another post, and I had a quick look
> at Thanissaro Bhikkhu's translation. He has "accompanied by
> directed thought & evaluation" for "savitakka, savicaara".
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N: I know that different people have different translations, PTS,
Ven. Nynamoli, Ven. Nyanaponika, etc. That is why it is necessary to
always have the Pali next to it.
You want something concise about the jhaanafactors. Here from
Buddhist Dictionary <
http://www.budsas.org/ebud/bud-dict/
dic3_j.htm> . Ven. Nyanatiloka. He translates vitakka as thought-
conception:
<Whenever the monk enters the 1st absorption, there have vanished
sensuous desire, ill-will, sloth and torpor, restlessness and
scruples, doubts; and there are present: thought-conception
(vitakka), discursive thinking (vicāra) rapture (pīti), joy (sukha),
and concentration (samādhi). In the 2nd absorption there are present:
rapture, joy and concentration; in the 3rd: joy and concentration; in
the 4th: equanimity (upekkhā) and concentration" (Vis.M. IV).
The 4 absorptions of the immaterial sphere (s. above 5-8) still
belong, properly speaking, to the 4th absorption as they possess the
same two constituents. The 4th fine-material absorption is also the
base or starting point (pādaka-jhāna, q.v.) for the attaining of the
higher spiritual powers (abhiññā, q.v.).
In the Abhidhamma, generally a fivefold instead of a fourfold
division of the fine-material absorptions is used: the 2nd absorption
has still the constituent 'discursive thinking' (but without thought-
conception), while the 3rd, 4th and 5th correspond to the 2nd, 3rd
and 4th, respectively, of the fourfold division (s. Tab. I, 9- 13) .
This fivefold division is based on Sutta texts like A . VIII, 63 .>
For details, see Visuddhimagga Ch III, IV.
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N: Some people cannot abandon both vitakka and vicaara at the same
time, at the second stage. They still need vicaara and can abandon
this at the third stage. That is why there is a fourfold system and a
fivefold system.
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Nina.
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