Dear Nina and Lennart,

thank you for the interesting discussion. Lennart, thanks for highlighting that we may be stretching the discussion a bit far. I believe there will be chances to visit what is just discussed in the future.

Nina, you mentioned MN111 in another post, and I had a quick look at Thanissaro Bhikkhu's translation. He has "accompanied by directed thought & evaluation" for "savitakka, savicaara". Maybe we should have a quick, short discussion of all the "jhana factors", and also about the order in which they are eliminated in the progression into higher meditative states.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Pali/message/13731
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.111.than.html


metta,
Yong Peng.