Re: Mettasutta.

Dear Nina & All,
So in the same sutta, buuta appeared in 3 places:
1. ye keci paa.nabhuutatthi, ...
2. bhuutaa va sambhavesii va, ...
3. evampi sabbabhuutesu, ...

Only in case 2, buutaa refers to arahants?

If so, then sambhavessii refers to all except arahants, then why
bother to differentiate the before and after of those egg-born or
womb-born beings?

Seems the Qs would go on endlessly. From all the discussions, it's
obvious that there has been different interpretations since long.
My original enquiry was to know what the interpretation of
sambhavesii would be to go with the view of immediate-rebirth.
Thank you all.
virtually with real metta,
Traveller

--- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, Piya Tan <libris@...> wrote:
>
> Nina,
>
> That "bhuuta" refers to arhats is most interesting: do you
references for this?
>
> Piya
>
> --- Yufen Shih <yufen.shih@...> wrote:
>
> > Dear Nina,
> > Thanks again but seems more Qs induced.
> >
> > 1. If only arahats are bhuuta, then what's the explanation for
> > "evampi
> > sabbabhuutesu" in the same sutta?
> >
> > 2. Not sure if i understand you correctly. Do you mean the first
> > moment of
> > a life is when a baby was born to the world? Then the 10month in
> > womb is
> > without consciousness? This will be easily refuted by the
> > evidences found
> > today.
> >
> > virtually with real metta,
> > Traveller
> > --------------------------------------
> > Dear Traveller,
> > The arahats are called bhuuta, not the sekhas and ordinary men.
It
> > is
> > said:<That are bhuuta): that have been born, generated; they are
> > reckoned thus 'They are (have been), they will not be again,
which
> > is
> > a designation for those with tainsts exhausted, [namely,
Arahants].
> > >
> > As to the unborn human babies also are called those that yet seek
> > to
> > be, yes, in this context. They are still in the womb.
> > Actually, when we consider the rebirth-consciousness, this is the
> > first moment of a life.
> > Nina.
> > Op 22-aug-2006, om 12:26 heeft traveller het volgende geschreven:
> >
> > > Regarding to Q1, the explanation in the Commentary brings some
> > more
> > > questions.
> > > Aren't those bhuuta? The Initiates and ordinary men, etc.
> > > Or the unborn human babies also are called those that yet seek
to
> > be?
> >
> >
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