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>The use of the genitive in construction with ta-participles is common in the
>language of the Pali canon. This use is recorded as early as Vedic Sanskrit.
>I believe that the reason why the enclitic pronouns vo, me, no etc. have
>been considered instrumentals in Pali is because this syntactical function
>has not been recognised. Panini mentions it at A II.3:67. He also records
>the use of the genitive with so-called future participles at A II.3:71 to
>denote the agent. There are more than just a handful of such examples in the
>canon where one would expect the instrumental, like, for instance,
>akara.niiyo Maarassa A IV 109: Maara is unable to attack him (viz. the
>monk), Maara is also quoted saying: akara.niiyo mayham (sic). For once the
>pronoun is not enclitic.
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Hi Ole and group,

I was aware of genitives being optionally used with the future passive participles (fpp), but it is fairly new to me that they are used with past passive participles (ppp or -ta participle).

I looked at A II 3:67 (and 68), but they seem to be restricted to a couple of very specific instances, and evam me sutam wouldn't appear to be covered by those rules. 67 is restricted to the sense of the present tense, the example given being ( tr to pali) rañño puujito. 'worshiped by the king'.

68 is a bit cryptic (to me) but refers to expressing location. Ex (tr. to pali) idam etesa.m sayitam. 'this is their sleeping (place?)'

So my question would be whether the non-enlitic-pronominal cases in the pali canon are all examples of these two rules, or whether there are further usages of genitive with -ta that aren't noted by Panini. The latter wouldn't surprise me, since there are obviously a number of syntactic facts that weren't noted by the ancient grammarians. These must have been learned by writers in a more natural way through their reading.

Finally I'd wonder what those further uses of the genitive with ppp's are, since I doubt that it is simply optional and can be substituted for the instrumental whenever one please.

I'm just asking in case this has been studied and you know of some of the results offhand. I'm not asking anyone to put their lives on hold to study the question, though, as usual, if anyone comes across examples in their reading I'd love to hear about them.

best regards,

/Rett