Re: SV: [Pali] obscure verse

Dear Ole,

Thank you for your helpful replies to my query. [Also thanks to Rett,
Harry and Piya for your thoughtful contributions.]

This commonly putting the agent of ta-particples in genitive, is this
discussed in Warder somewhere? I don't recall seeing it before. Are
there other common examples from the canon that you can share with us?

So perhaps a reasonable English translation might be:
Those who are carried away on the flood of sensual pleasures,
not fully understanding sensual pleasures,
show preference for repeated existence and death in samsara.

Again, thank you very much for your help.

Metta, John

--- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, "Ole Holten Pind" <oleholtenpind@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Just an afterthought. As I have mentioned before it is common to put the
> agent of ta-participles in gen. Assuming that the otherwise somewhat
odd use
> of the gen. represents an instance of this type of construction, the
verse
> says: Those who are carried away on the flod of sensual pleasures, not
> knowing thoroughly (pari) sensual pleasures, valuate highly repeated
deaths
> and repeated existences in samsara.
>
> Personally I think this interpretation is preferable.
>
> OP
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> Sendt: 4. februar 2006 06:09
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> Emne: [Pali] obscure verse
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> Dear friends,
>
> Can anyone help me with the following difficult to translate verse
> from the verses at the end of AN 5:55 (A iii 69)?
>
> Tesa.m kaamoghavu.lhaana.m kaame aparijaanata.m,
> Kaala.m gati.m bhavaabhava.m sa.msaarasmi.m purakkhataa.
>
> Below is my stumbling effort at a word-by-word analysis:
> tesa.m - those
> kaamoghavu.lhaana.m - carried away on the flood of sensual pleasure
> kaama – sensual pleasure
> ogha - flood
> vu.lhaana.m – carried away
> kaame – sensual pleasures
> aparijaanata.m – not fully understanding
> kaala.m – black, dark
> gati.m - destination
> bhavaabhava.m - becoming and not-becoming ??
> bhava - becoming
> abhava.m - not-becoming
> sa.msaarasmi.m – in sa.msaara
> purakkhataa – honoured, preferred
>
> I can't put the whole thing together though. All assistance greatly
> appreciated.
>
> With metta,
> John
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