>Dear Alan,
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>>I don't have any more to say until I hear from others because I have
>>expressed fully my understanding of this issue, and it is obviously
>>insufficient for dealing with some of the issues that you brought up in
>>your last post. I did note this fact too, and am noting it again.
>>
>>
>OK. Your "understanding of this issue... is obviously insufficient for
>dealing with some of the issues." Then please stop promoting a position that
>you don't understand and are not prepared to defend. Don't write that the
>final element of Bh's are nouns-- unless you can show it. Don't write that
>the final element of Bh's are *functioning* as nouns
>What this tells me is that you are actively promoting a position that you do
>not understand.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Alan McClure" <alanmcclure3@...>
>To: <Pali@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 4:24 PM
>Subject: Re: [Pali] Bahubbiihi cpds
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>>Dear Rene,
>>
>>My responses are below.
>>
>>rsalm wrote:
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>>
>>
>>>Hello Alan,
>>>
>>>Please spell my name correctly. You read French, and I am a male.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>My apologies. I am human and made a mistake. I also didn't know that
>>you are French or male.
>>
>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>>I think that there is some confusion in the conversations that have
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>already occurred on this topic.
>>>
>>>Rene: Not only confusion, but also misinformation. Let’s review some of
>>>the
>>>exchanges that have occurred:
>>>
>>>------------
>>>
>>>Alan: I just noticed that Rett and Dr. Pind have both responded to you
>>>explaining why Bahubbiihi compounds must end with nouns, so I won't go any
>>>further as I'm sure that their comments are clearer than anything that I
>>>could write. [Dr. Pind never said anything of the sort—Rene]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Dr Pind did say:
>>
>>"Bh compounds are generally noun compounds having a noun as their final
>>
>>member with the addition of the idea of possessing."
>>
>>
>>However, it is true that he said this after my above comment. So, I
>>mistakenly attributed something to him before he said it. Maybe I was
>>reading into his words too much. I am certainly not psychic.
>>
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>>>
>>>Rene: I have read your latest post, Alan, and your reasoning is getting
>>>farther and farther away from the issue, and stranger...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>An opinion, and one that I obviously can't share since I wrote it. I
>>was attempting to find some common ground actually. I guess that I
>>failed.
>>
>>
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>>>Now, you say that the last element in a Bh has to “function as a noun”--
>>>even if it’s not a noun (which, in my opinion, is backwards). OK… Let’s
>>>take
>>>an example from the list of compounds in my last post: sukata kamma: 'an
>>>action well done' (Warder/188). Show us please (1) how –kata either is a
>>>noun or is functioning as a noun; (2) WHY it is functioning as a noun when
>>>it should be functioning as an adjective; (3) HOW it can function “as a
>>>noun” and yet the compound still be adjectival (remember: the compound
>>>takes its function after that of the last element); and (4) why your
>>>analysis is not in Warder, Perniola, and other grammar books (I exclude
>>>for
>>>now your misreading of Whitney).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>I can't do any of the above, because as I stated in my last message, I
>>don't see how this compound is a Bahubbiihi. It obviously does end in
>>an adjective, and I don't argue with that. I did state that I would be
>>happy to hear how this is a bahubbiihi when based on what I know, it
>>shouldn't be. In other words, I am open to explaination of what makes
>>this a bahubbiihi rather than simply a kammadhaaraya which would carry
>>over into correcting any false ideas I have concerning bahubbiihis.
>>
>>
>>
>>>-- Rene
>>>
>>>PS—I’d just like to remind you, Alan, of something you once wrote to the
>>>list:
>>>
>>>Alan: “If I am wrong, then I will accept it.”
>>>
>>>Rene: I sincerely hope this is true, for your sake as well as ours.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Well, it is true. This is why I asked the questions about the examples
>>of Warder in my last message; so I could understand what I don't yet
>>understand. If you are asking me to accept your position even though I
>>don't understand/agree with it, then that doesn't seem reasonable. I
>>have been trying to keep this conversation friendly, so I hope that we
>>can see eye to eye on at least civility.
>>
>>I don't have any more to say until I hear from others because I have
>>expressed fully my understanding of this issue, and it is obviously
>>insufficient for dealing with some of the issues that you brought up in
>>your last post. I did note this fact too, and am noting it again.
>>
>>With metta,
>>
>>Alan
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