Dear Alan,

> I don't have any more to say until I hear from others because I have
> expressed fully my understanding of this issue, and it is obviously
> insufficient for dealing with some of the issues that you brought up in
> your last post. I did note this fact too, and am noting it again.

OK. Your "understanding of this issue... is obviously insufficient for
dealing with some of the issues." Then please stop promoting a position that
you don't understand and are not prepared to defend. Don't write that the
final element of Bh's are nouns-- unless you can show it. Don't write that
the final element of Bh's are *functioning* as nouns
What this tells me is that you are actively promoting a position that you do
not understand.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan McClure" <alanmcclure3@...>
To: <Pali@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Pali] Bahubbiihi cpds


> Dear Rene,
>
> My responses are below.
>
> rsalm wrote:
>
>>Hello Alan,
>>
>>Please spell my name correctly. You read French, and I am a male.
>>
>>
>
> My apologies. I am human and made a mistake. I also didn't know that
> you are French or male.
>
>>
>>
>>>I think that there is some confusion in the conversations that have
>>>
>>>
>>already occurred on this topic.
>>
>>Rene: Not only confusion, but also misinformation. Let’s review some of
>>the
>>exchanges that have occurred:
>>
>>------------
>>
>>Alan: I just noticed that Rett and Dr. Pind have both responded to you
>>explaining why Bahubbiihi compounds must end with nouns, so I won't go any
>>further as I'm sure that their comments are clearer than anything that I
>>could write. [Dr. Pind never said anything of the sort—Rene]
>>
>>
>
> Dr Pind did say:
>
> "Bh compounds are generally noun compounds having a noun as their final
>
> member with the addition of the idea of possessing."
>
>
> However, it is true that he said this after my above comment. So, I
> mistakenly attributed something to him before he said it. Maybe I was
> reading into his words too much. I am certainly not psychic.
>
> --------
>
>>
>>
>>
>>Rene: I have read your latest post, Alan, and your reasoning is getting
>>farther and farther away from the issue, and stranger...
>>
>>
> An opinion, and one that I obviously can't share since I wrote it. I
> was attempting to find some common ground actually. I guess that I
> failed.
>
>
>>Now, you say that the last element in a Bh has to “function as a noun”--
>>even if it’s not a noun (which, in my opinion, is backwards). OK… Let’s
>>take
>>an example from the list of compounds in my last post: sukata kamma: 'an
>>action well done' (Warder/188). Show us please (1) how –kata either is a
>>noun or is functioning as a noun; (2) WHY it is functioning as a noun when
>>it should be functioning as an adjective; (3) HOW it can function “as a
>> noun” and yet the compound still be adjectival (remember: the compound
>>takes its function after that of the last element); and (4) why your
>>analysis is not in Warder, Perniola, and other grammar books (I exclude
>>for
>>now your misreading of Whitney).
>>
>>
>
> I can't do any of the above, because as I stated in my last message, I
> don't see how this compound is a Bahubbiihi. It obviously does end in
> an adjective, and I don't argue with that. I did state that I would be
> happy to hear how this is a bahubbiihi when based on what I know, it
> shouldn't be. In other words, I am open to explaination of what makes
> this a bahubbiihi rather than simply a kammadhaaraya which would carry
> over into correcting any false ideas I have concerning bahubbiihis.
>
>>-- Rene
>>
>>PS—I’d just like to remind you, Alan, of something you once wrote to the
>>list:
>>
>>Alan: “If I am wrong, then I will accept it.”
>>
>>Rene: I sincerely hope this is true, for your sake as well as ours.
>>
>>
> Well, it is true. This is why I asked the questions about the examples
> of Warder in my last message; so I could understand what I don't yet
> understand. If you are asking me to accept your position even though I
> don't understand/agree with it, then that doesn't seem reasonable. I
> have been trying to keep this conversation friendly, so I hope that we
> can see eye to eye on at least civility.
>
> I don't have any more to say until I hear from others because I have
> expressed fully my understanding of this issue, and it is obviously
> insufficient for dealing with some of the issues that you brought up in
> your last post. I did note this fact too, and am noting it again.
>
> With metta,
>
> Alan
>
>
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