abhidhammika wrote:

> The following is an off-list discussion between me and Jou Smith. As
> it is to do with Pali, I posted it here as well.

If it is an off-list discussion, you should not post it to the list without
permission from the other party to include anything he wrote. Moreover,
what you have posted seems to be an edited version of that off-list
exchange -- your comments at length and those of the other party seemingly
truncated.

But, apart from that, the "baahirakaa saavaka-bhaasitaa" type of expression
is quite well attested in various less ambiguous contexts outside of Pali
sources and is indeed always understood as "spoken by outsiders [and their]
disciples" -- so you don't even need the Pali commentaries to clarify that.

Best wishes,
Stephen Hodge