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Sent:
Wednesday, February 05, 2003 8:32 AM
Subject:
Re: [Nostratica] Re: replacement rates
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Please explain.
Gerry wrote:
Without a beginning and end,
your metrics turn into a semantic debate.
Gerry
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Sent:
Wednesday, February 05, 2003 7:01 AM
Subject:
Re: [Nostratica] Re: replacement rates
Our problem is not that difficult.
tgpedersen
wrote:
--- In Nostratica@yahoogroups.com,
"H.M. Hubey" <hubeyh@...>
wrote:
> I am not sure I understand. I am only
discussing creating a
semantics
> metric for
a short
> list of words. I only suggest that the
short list size be a power
of 2
> so that we
can use
> binary/boolean concepts. Any list
has to be finite in order to be
> useful.
We cannot
> handle infinity.
>
>
Geraldine Reinhardt wrote:
>
> >
Sorry. I'm not clear as to how you will deliniate
your "Hubey"
list.
> > If there is
no final number, then the list should exist
> > for infinity? Right?
>
>
> > Gerry
> >
>
> ----- Original Message
-----
> > From: H.M.
Hubey <mailto:hubeyh@...>
>
> To: Nostratica@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Nostratica@yahoogroups.com>
>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 04,
2003 4:48 PM
> >
Subject: Re: [Nostratica] Re: replacement rates
>
>
> > No final
number. This will work for something like the
Swadesh
> > list. There
are other
> > ways to
get semantic distances from dictionaries. I would
be
> > interesting to
compare
> > them after
they have been worked out.
> >
>
> Geraldine Reinhardt
wrote:
> >
>
>> Interesting. Does
that leave the final number at infinity
(in
>
>> the power of
2)?
> >>
> >> Gerry
>
>>
>
>>
----- Original Message -----
>
>>
From: H.M. Hubey <mailto:hubeyh@...>
>
>>
To: Nostratica@yahoogroups.com
>
>>
<mailto:Nostratica@yahoogroups.com>
>
>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 9:51 AM
>
>>
Subject: Re: [Nostratica] Re: replacement rates
>
>>
>
>>
IT would have to be in powers of 2. I got started on
32
>
>>
already. We can double it
>
>>
to 64, then 128. We'd have to add 28 more to
Swadesh
100.
>
>>
Then we can double to
>
>>
256, and we only need 28 more for that.
>
>>
>
>>
Gerry wrote:
> >>
>
>>>
Most interesting. Yet based on Boolean ideas, how
many
>
>>>
words would be contained in renovating the Swadesh
list?
>
>>>
>
>>>
Gerry
> >>>
>
>>>
----- Original Message -----
>
>>>
From: H.M. Hubey <mailto:hubeyh@...>
>
>>>
To: Nostratica@yahoogroups.com
>
>>>
<mailto:Nostratica@yahoogroups.com>
>
>>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 6:01 AM
>
>>>
Subject: Re: [Nostratica] Re: replacement rates
>
>>>
>
>>>
There is a shorter way. We can start with a subset
of
>
>>>
the Swadesh list. Yakhontov
>
>>>
already has a shorter version which has 35 words.
A
>
>>>
simple metric should probably
>
>>>
be based on Boolean ideas. 32 is a good number
since
it
>
>>>
is a power of 2. I already
>
>>>
got started but haven't had time to pay attention
to
it.
>
>>>
If anyone is interested, we can
>
>>>
collaborate.
> >>>
>
>>>
tgpedersen wrote:
> >>>
>
>>>>
--- In Nostratica@yahoogroups.com,
"H.M. Hubey"
>
>>>>
<hubeyh@...>
wrote:
>
>>>>
>
>
>>>>
>
>
>>>>
>
>
>>>>
>
>
>>>>
> I think what linguistics needs is a
"semantic
>
>>>>
metric". I know how
>
>>>>
to
>
>>>>
> derive at least two different
>
>>>>
> ones from data but need time and money :-) I
think
>
>>>>
all linguists
>
>>>>
should
>
>>>>
> appreciate the need for
>
>>>>
> semantic metrics. It does not matter how many.
That
>
>>>>
could always be
>
>>>>
> worked out, fixed,
>
>>>>
> repaired, improved etc. The trick is to get
going.
>
>>>>
>
>
>>>>
That would require us to know some canonical
>
>>>>
development of a
>
>>>>
canonical set of concepts. That is a tall order.
>
>>>>
>
>>>>
Torsten
If you are serious about your
semantics metrics, I recommend you read
some of Doug
Lenat's articles on his program "Eurisko", a program
that built a conceptual world from axioms of set
theory until it ran
into computational difficulties
constructing prime number theory. It
will give you a
perspective on the problems at hand. They can be
found in the journal "Artifical Intelligence" some
time in the early
eighties.
Torsten
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