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Wednesday, February 05, 2003 8:32 AM
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Re: [Nostratica] Re: replacement rates
I have no idea what you are talking about. Please explain.
Gerry wrote:
Without a beginning and
end, your metrics turn into a semantic debate.
Gerry
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Re: [Nostratica] Re: replacement rates
Our problem is not that difficult.
tgpedersen wrote:
--- In Nostratica@yahoogroups.com,
"H.M. Hubey" <hubeyh@...>
wrote:
> I am not sure I understand. I am only discussing
creating a
semantics
> metric for a short
> list of words. I only suggest that the short list
size be a power
of 2
> so that we can use
> binary/boolean concepts. Any list has to be finite
in order to be
> useful. We cannot
> handle infinity.
>
> Geraldine Reinhardt wrote:
>
> > Sorry. I'm not clear as to how you will deliniate
your "Hubey"
list.
> > If there is no final number, then the list
should exist
> > for infinity? Right?
> >
> > Gerry
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: H.M. Hubey <mailto:hubeyh@...>
> > To: Nostratica@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Nostratica@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 04,
2003 4:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Nostratica] Re: replacement
rates
> >
> > No final number. This will work
for something like the Swadesh
> > list. There are other
> > ways to get semantic distances
from dictionaries. I would be
> > interesting to compare
> > them after they have been
worked out.
> >
> > Geraldine Reinhardt
wrote:
> >
> >> Interesting. Does that leave the
final number at infinity
(in
> >> the power of 2)?
> >>
> >> Gerry
> >>
> >> ----- Original
Message -----
> >> From: H.M.
Hubey <mailto:hubeyh@...>
> >> To: Nostratica@yahoogroups.com
> >> <mailto:Nostratica@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday,
February 04, 2003 9:51 AM
> >> Subject:
Re: [Nostratica] Re: replacement rates
> >>
> >> IT would
have to be in powers of 2. I got started on 32
> >> already.
We can double it
> >> to 64, then
128. We'd have to add 28 more to Swadesh
100.
> >> Then we can
double to
> >> 256, and
we only need 28 more for that.
> >>
> >> Gerry wrote:
> >>
> >>> Most
interesting. Yet based on Boolean ideas, how many
> >>> words
would be contained in renovating the Swadesh list?
> >>>
> >>> Gerry
> >>>
> >>> -----
Original Message -----
> >>> From:
H.M. Hubey <mailto:hubeyh@...>
> >>> To:
Nostratica@yahoogroups.com
> >>> <mailto:Nostratica@yahoogroups.com>
> >>> Sent:
Tuesday, February 04, 2003 6:01 AM
> >>> Subject:
Re: [Nostratica] Re: replacement rates
> >>>
> >>> There
is a shorter way. We can start with a subset
of
> >>> the
Swadesh list. Yakhontov
> >>> already
has a shorter version which has 35 words. A
> >>> simple
metric should probably
> >>> be
based on Boolean ideas. 32 is a good number
since it
> >>> is
a power of 2. I already
> >>> got
started but haven't had time to pay attention
to it.
> >>> If
anyone is interested, we can
> >>> collaborate.
> >>>
> >>> tgpedersen
wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
--- In Nostratica@yahoogroups.com,
"H.M. Hubey"
> >>>>
<hubeyh@...>
wrote:
> >>>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>
> I think what linguistics needs is a "semantic
> >>>>
metric". I know how
> >>>>
to
> >>>>
> derive at least two different
> >>>>
> ones from data but need time and money :-) I
think
> >>>>
all linguists
> >>>>
should
> >>>>
> appreciate the need for
> >>>>
> semantic metrics. It does not matter how many.
That
> >>>>
could always be
> >>>>
> worked out, fixed,
> >>>>
> repaired, improved etc. The trick is to get
going.
> >>>>
>
> >>>>
That would require us to know some canonical
> >>>>
development of a
> >>>>
canonical set of concepts. That is a tall order.
> >>>>
> >>>>
Torsten
If you are serious about your semantics metrics, I recommend
you read
some of Doug Lenat's articles on his program "Eurisko",
a program
that built a conceptual world from axioms of set theory
until it ran
into computational difficulties constructing prime number
theory. It
will give you a perspective on the problems at hand.
They can be
found in the journal "Artifical Intelligence" some time
in the early
eighties.
Torsten
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