> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...>

> --- In Nostratica@yahoogroups.com, "John <jdcroft@...>"
> <jdcroft@...> wrote:
> > Alexander
> >
> > You asked
> > > [A]
> > > Do you mean O.Trubachev's book "Indoarica v Severnom
> > Prichernomorie"?
> > > Yes, the distance between pre-Cimmerian times and today is

about

> 3-
> > 3.5 millennia. But Trubachev relies mainly on ancient and

partly

> > medieval toponyms and personal names. Only very few of them
> survived
> > till our days. If only they were available for investigations I
> think
> > nobody could prove their Indo-Aryan origin. So I think that in

this

> > example the time of the _reliable surviving_ should be

shortened

> till
> > the Greek or Roman times, i.e. about 1.000 years.
> > > On the other hand the Ukrainian steppes were a very

inconvenient

> > place for preserving archaic toponyms - so often nation changed
> > there, and as a rule with a great violence, when the old

population

> > disappeared very quickly.
> >
> > I haven't read anything academic on this subject. I came

across it

> a
> > couple of years ago in a detailed discussion on Cybalist.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > John
>
> That was mostly me proposed the connection. Classical writers

connect

> the Cimmerians with the Cimbri of Jutland, who have been

connected

> with the landscape Himmerland, and Cymru and Cumbria and ... At

least

> in Denmark the time fits approximately, Celtic (now pre-Roman)

Iron

> Age beginning approx. 500 BCE.
>
> Torsten
>
> Torsten,
>
> Why do you think that the Cimmerians spoke an Indo-Arian language

(not an Iranian one as is thought usually)?

> Did the Cimbri have any peculiarities in the vocabulary which could

be attested as an Indo-Arian heritage? Or in the Jutland toponymy?

>
> Alexander
>

I don't think I have committed myself either way. BTW, Karl-Horst
Schmidt mentions that Celtic shows traces of having been in contact
with an Eastern IE language at an early stage. Perhaps they were even
(proto-)Celtic-speaking?
The toponomy of Jutland is either blatantly Germanic, or it's places
like He, Bur, Ho, Vemb, Hald (Western Jutland). Difficult to extract
any information there. Islands have suffixes -s, -ind and -und, but
that looks Anatolian!

Torsten