----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 2:38
PM
Subject: [Nostratica] Re: Ghassulian
culture
--- In Nostratica@yahoogroups.com, "John
<jdcroft@......>"
<jdcroft@......> wrote:
> Alexander
>
> You asked
> > [A]
> > Do you mean O.Trubachev's
book "Indoarica v Severnom
> Prichernomorie"?
> > Yes, the
distance between pre-Cimmerian times and today is about
3-
> 3.5
millennia. But Trubachev relies mainly on ancient and partly
> medieval
toponyms and personal names. Only very few of them
survived
> till
our days. If only they were available for investigations I
think
>
nobody could prove their Indo-Aryan origin. So I think that in this
>
example the time of the _reliable surviving_ should be shortened
till
> the Greek or Roman times, i.e. about 1.000 years.
> > On the
other hand the Ukrainian steppes were a very inconvenient
> place for
preserving archaic toponyms - so often nation changed
> there, and as a
rule with a great violence, when the old population
> disappeared very
quickly.
>
> I haven't read anything academic on this
subject. I came across it
a
> couple of years ago in a
detailed discussion on Cybalist.
>
> Regards
>
>
John
That was mostly me proposed the connection. Classical writers
connect
the Cimmerians with the Cimbri of Jutland, who have been connected
with the landscape Himmerland, and Cymru and Cumbria and ... At least
in Denmark the time fits approximately, Celtic (now pre-Roman) Iron
Age beginning approx. 500 BCE.
Torsten
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