Re: [Bulk] [tied] Ancient Greek ψεύδω/ψεύ δομαι and Alb

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Beekes links the Greek etymon in question with Arm. sut  (a-stem) [adj.] 'false', [subst.] 'lie' (both with PIE *-d-, not *-t-).

In my notes I have it as sut  (o-stem), with the guy trying to directly link:

psúdos = lie G; sut -o- = false / lie Ar;

Do you know which is right?  There are a lot of variants in Arm., which is earlier?

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We have also some forms in Slavic (like Pol. szydzić "to sneer, to scoff", szyderstwo "mockery") which could suggest PIE *kWseud- even if some details of the phonological development are unclear in this case: Pol. szyd- < PSlav. *šid- < *xjūd- < *kWsyud- (Winter's rule) rather than *kWsud-.


What would create PSlav. *šid- < *xjūd- < *kWsyud-?  So, if (as I take it) in your mind, there's really supposed to be an extra -y- added just to make the phonological development regular, wouldn't analogy work better?


If there were at first no differences between:

szydzicJ  and
s^uditJ = deceive Slovak;

a (now lost) alt. as in:

pseûdos \ psúdos \ psúthos (neu) = lie G;

could have created eud > ud AND ud > u:d > yd with later mixing of C / C', right?

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On the other hand, we have Russian šut, šutka "a joke" with unclear etymology (see Vasmer for details). Perhaps it could be a cognate of the cited Albanian forms rather than the Greek ones (if they are heredited at all). In this case šut- < *xeut- < *kWseut-

The etymology is not unclear, or rather is as clear as many others taken as cognates, assuming optionality (see below).  I'd say they're inherited (not "heredited" (I just pointed this out to keep any other non-native speakers from confusion, not because I feel like correcting every typo or calling people out on them)) from IE, with Alb. later der. from a n/adj. lik:  psudrós \ psudnós = lying / untrue G; or sim.

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Note also Greek psythos ~ psydos, cf. Beekes. If Indo-European at all, the root may have had another variant *kWseudH- here.

hvískra = whisper, hvísla = whistle/whisper OIc; hwiscettan = squeak [of mice] OE;
fishkëllej = whistle Alb;

there seems to be more l/r alt. (as in Alb. above, maybe in tR > tl / tt / etc.?).

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