Re: On Greek anthro:pos 'man'

From: Joao S. Lopes
Message: 71179
Date: 2013-04-09

I found this at:
http://www.quest-journal.net/PIP/New_Perspectives_On_Myth_2010/New_Perspectives_on_Myth_Chapter9.pdf

(...) Looking for an etymology of the puzzling Greek word án-thrōpos ‘human’, the Dutch linguist Ode (1927) had the felicitous inspiration to see this word as a reflex of what he claims to be proto-Indo-European*-nt, ‘under’ (cf.the more consensu-ally established proto-Indo-European:*ndho‘under’f.Pokorny 1959-1969: I, 323) – thusproposing an underlying semantics of humans as ‘ground or underworld dwellers’. This, incidentally, also offered Ode an interesting etymologyof the long contested Ancient Greek theonym Athena as an underworld goddess. (...)

JS Lopes



De: Bhrihskwobhloukstroy <bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@...>
Para: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Enviadas: Terça-feira, 9 de Abril de 2013 10:14
Assunto: Re: [tied] Re: On Greek anthro:pos 'man'

 
/th/, /r/, /o:/, /p/ (and the absence of /u/, /h/, and /-s-/) would
remain unexplained: too much for a six-phonemes lexical entry (final
-os isn't diagnostic)

2013/4/9, Joao S. <josimo70@...>:
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> Could be Greek anthro:pos related to Hit. antuuahhas- / antuhs- 'man' < nom.
> *h1n-dHueh2-o:s, gen.sg. *h1n-dHuh2-s-os ? It would imply an Anatolic IE
> substratum in Greece. Maybe Endymion also fits into this root.
>
> JS Lopes
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Francesco Brighenti" <frabrig@...> wrote:
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>> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister wrote:
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>> > Isn't Greek -nth- cognate to Anatolian -nd-???
>>
>> We (you & I) have discussed this in the past. See my post about Anna
>> Morpurgo-Davies' arguments against the Pre-Greek substratum in Greek being
>> (IE) Anatolian or "para-Anatolian" at
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>> http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/63882
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>> The regular reflex of the PIE *-went- suffix ('having X') is the consonant
>> cluster -nt- in Greek, and -nt-/-nd- in Anatolian. Why would Greek have
>> borrowed names in -nd-/-nt- from an Anatolian or "para-Anatolian"
>> substrate with operating a shift to -nth- against the expected -nd- or
>> -nt- ?
>>
>> Also J. Chadwick ("Greek and Pre-Greek", TPhS 1969, pp. 80-98) stated that
>> the -nth- formations in mainland Greece and the Aegean Islands must
>> represent the relics of a non-IE pre-Greek substrate, not of an Anatolian
>> (or "para-Anatolian") IE substrate possessed of -nd-/-nt- formations. He
>> noted there are no known examples of one and the same IE-inherited root,
>> common to both the Greek and Anatolian branches, to which is added the
>> -nth- suffix in Greek and the -nt-/-nd- one in Anatolian.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Francesco
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