Re: Italo-Celtic dialect base words?

> --- On Mon, 2/25/13, Joao S. Lopes <josimo70@...> wrote:
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> From: Joao S. Lopes <josimo70@...>
> Subject: Re: [tied] Italo-Celtic dialect base words?
> To: "cybalist@yahoogroups.com" <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Monday, February 25, 2013, 9:24 PM
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> A falcon would be "grey" in contrast to what bird? Eagle, hawk, raven, kite? In Latin birds of prey were called aquila, accipiter, acceptor, bu:teo:, miluus, vultur, ?astur. In Greek, aietos, hierax, mermnos, kirkos, morphnos, iktinos.
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> JS Lopes
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> De: dgkilday57 <dgkilday57@...>
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> Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 25 de Fevereiro de 2013 23:07
> Assunto: Re: [tied] Italo-Celtic dialect base words?

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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister wrote:
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> > If falco were of Germanic origin, it would be from a word for "gray", right?ÂÂ
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> I believe that is Watkins' view, but I do not have the AHD with me. One problem with _falco:_ is that it is attested only late.
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> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Tavi" wrote:
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> > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Joao S. Lopes" wrote:
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> > > As I mentioned before, this etynmology makes little sense as a native Celtic word, so Delamarre links Gaulish uolco- to Latin falco: 'hawk'.
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> > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/69567
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> > That makes even less sense, since _falco:_ (if not of Gmc. origin, which Watkins favors but I find improbable) belongs with _falx_ 'sickle', cognate with Liguro-Latin _daculum_ (Fr. _daille_ etc.) and Sicel _zagkle:_, earlier *dagkle: (on coins Dagkleion, later Z-), both showing dissimilation from *dalklom. These require a *dH-anlaut which would appear in Celtic as *d- also.
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--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:
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> falcons in Delaware are very common and tend to be reddish and/or beige but I don't know what European falcons look like although the ones used for hunting look brownish-beige-grayish (pardo --in the original sense of gray or brown). So if falcons are grayish-brown and if they contrast with other birds of prey then maybe Watkins may be right --but only if the lx squares
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Since many bird-names seem to come from:

curved _ > beak > _ bird

like:

krukn = heel Ar;
krunk = crane Ar;

pélekus (m) = (double-edged) ax G;
pelekâ:s -â:ntos (g) = woodpecker, peleká:n -â:nos \ pelekî:nos = pelican, peleka:nós = coot G;

I'd say falx >> falco OHG; etc.


If they're rel., most with l-l dis.:

* gYHeltlo- \ * gYHl,tlo- > Lith z^irkle:s 'shears'; Goth gilþa 'sickle'

* DaNklam >> zágklon >> daculum (late), [D>T>f] falx = sickle/scythe/pruning hook L;

would mean an Indo-Ir (or sim. rel.) with e>a , gY > zY > DY (as in Pers.) was the source. Sic. could have been an Indo-Ir l. itself, though it would be very odd.