Re: Italo-Celtic dialect base words?

From a robotic point of view, I fail to understand PIE "* gYH" > Latin
/#f-/; do You mean falco would be "Sabinian" as e.g. fase:na, fedus
'haedus', fircus, or Faliscan as foied 'hodie:', or Praenestinian like
Foratia, or "ancient" like faedus folus fostis fostia fariolus
fordeum?

2013/2/27, stlatos <sean@...>:

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>> --- On Mon, 2/25/13, Joao S. Lopes <josimo70@...> wrote:
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>> From: Joao S. Lopes <josimo70@...>
>> Subject: Re: [tied] Italo-Celtic dialect base words?
>> To: "cybalist@yahoogroups.com" <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
>> Date: Monday, February 25, 2013, 9:24 PM
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>> A falcon would be "grey" in contrast to what bird? Eagle, hawk,
>> raven, kite? In Latin birds of prey were called aquila, accipiter,
>> acceptor, bu:teo:, miluus, vultur, ?astur. In Greek, aietos, hierax,
>> mermnos, kirkos, morphnos, iktinos.
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>> JS Lopes
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>> De: dgkilday57 <dgkilday57@...>
>> Para: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
>> Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 25 de Fevereiro de 2013 23:07
>> Assunto: Re: [tied] Italo-Celtic dialect base words?
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>> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister wrote:
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>> > If falco were of Germanic origin, it would be from a word for "gray",
>> > right?ÂÂ
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>> I believe that is Watkins' view, but I do not have the AHD with me. One
>> problem with _falco:_ is that it is attested only late.
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>> > --- On Mon, 2/25/13, dgkilday57 wrote:
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>> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Tavi" wrote:
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>> > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Joao S. Lopes" wrote:
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>> > > As I mentioned before, this etynmology makes little sense as a native
>> > > Celtic word, so Delamarre links Gaulish uolco- to Latin falco:
>> > > 'hawk'.
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>> > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/69567
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>> > That makes even less sense, since _falco:_ (if not of Gmc. origin, which
>> > Watkins favors but I find improbable) belongs with _falx_ 'sickle',
>> > cognate with Liguro-Latin _daculum_ (Fr. _daille_ etc.) and Sicel
>> > _zagkle:_, earlier *dagkle: (on coins Dagkleion, later Z-), both showing
>> > dissimilation from *dalklom. These require a *dH-anlaut which would
>> > appear in Celtic as *d- also.
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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:
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>> falcons in Delaware are very common and tend to be reddish and/or beige
>> but I don't know what European falcons look like although the ones used
>> for hunting look brownish-beige-grayish (pardo --in the original sense of
>> gray or brown). So if falcons are grayish-brown and if they contrast with
>> other birds of prey then maybe Watkins may be right --but only if the lx
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> Since many bird-names seem to come from:
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> curved _ > beak > _ bird
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> krukn = heel Ar;
> krunk = crane Ar;
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> pélekus (m) = (double-edged) ax G;
> pelekâ:s -â:ntos (g) = woodpecker, peleká:n -â:nos \ pelekî:nos = pelican,
> peleka:nós = coot G;
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> I'd say falx >> falco OHG; etc.
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> If they're rel., most with l-l dis.:
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> * gYHeltlo- \ * gYHl,tlo- > Lith z^irkle:s 'shears'; Goth gilþa 'sickle'
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> * DaNklam >> zágklon >> daculum (late), [D>T>f] falx = sickle/scythe/pruning
> hook L;
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> would mean an Indo-Ir (or sim. rel.) with e>a , gY > zY > DY (as in Pers.)
> was the source. Sic. could have been an Indo-Ir l. itself, though it would
> be very odd.
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