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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy wrote:
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> 2013/2/10, stlatos :
> >
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy wrote:
> >>
> >> 2013/1/29, stlatos :
> >> > árthron = joint G; vs
> >> > artus -u:s L; ard -u- = order Ar;
> >>
> >> Armenian /rd/ < */rt/
> >
> >
> > Also, though I didn't give this as ev., sometimes rt > rtH in Ar:
> >
> > kartH -i- = fish-hook / leg Ar;
> >
> > probably rel. to:
> >
> > kart-nagl = twisted nail ON;
> >
> > so this rd could also be ev. for dH, just less certain than the others I
> > gave.
> >
> >
> > The opt. alt. in:
> >
> > tarpós = large wicker basket G; tHarpH = large wicker fishing-basket /
> > creel, tHarb = wicker trellis-work Ar;
> >
> > makes it likely there was opt. alt. for all Cr / rC (due to r. > R).
> >
> Bhr.:
> 1) all examples are from rC, not Cr
Do you mean for Ar? Then:
astr \ azdr = thigh / shoulder(-blade) Ar;
which shows the opt. itself.
Other ex. of opt. for Ar are hard to find since Cr > rC in many words:
surb = sacred / pure Ar; çubhrá- \ çubhrí- = shining / beautiful RV S;
besides complex changes in clusters:
ostrús = hop hornbeam G;
ortH Ar; hardhi = grapevine Al;
skór(o)don G; hurdhë Al; *kHsort > xstor -i- = garlic Ar;
The opt. (s)tr > r(s)t > rt / etc. seen in ortH is sim. to opt. st > ts ( > c ) and rs > rts ( > rc ) , etc.:
brjóst ON; bréost OE; breast E;
brusts Go; brust OHG; *rbust > erbuc = breast of animals Ar;
Tuisco \ Tuisto = (Ymir ?)
twisk = twofold OSx; zwisk = twofold / double OHG;
dvis.t.ha- = ambiguous S; erkicH-s = twice/again Ar;
túrsis \ túrris = tower G; turid = tower/pillar, tor EIr; tor \ torr = tower/castle/crest Ir; tòrr = conical hill Ga;
*túrs- > tHurc = cheek, tHus^ -a- = cheek, tHuR = swelling Ar;
(compare rs. in:
tHars^amim \ tHaRamim = wither Ar; tHrus.nì = thirst(y) Khow;
)
in which r.s > r.s. with opt. s. > s^ (or sim.).
The opt. (s)k / kHs / x(s) / etc. of *kHsort > xstor is also seen in:
sceolh = crooked OE; scelus = evil deed / crime L; skoliós = c, skellós = c-legged G;
kaL = lame, xeL = mutilated / lame, s^eL = slanting / crooked, s^eLim = go astray, s^aLim = be mistaken/confused, sxal = mistake/failure/crime Ar;
in which ks > ks. with opt. s. > s^ (or sim.).
Not only opt. kH > x but pH > f ( > xW > w / h ) :
septem L; secht+N OIr; ewtHn Ar;
pedica = fetter L; fetel = belt, feter = shackle OE; fetter E; pHiwlake: = prison Ar;
pay = foot(step) / track P; >> anpHayi -ea- \ amayi -ea- = uninhabited/desert/untrodden Ar;
with nxW > nw > mw > m .
The dia. Iran. kY > cY > sY > T shows that TY was dental, and in Ar opt. dental s() > T > f ( > xW > w ) in:
* gYnòxWskY- > c^anac^Hem Ar;
* -ti- > canawtH -i- = an acquaintance Ar;
and (with rare tH > s):
* plekYtí+s > hiws -i- = plait Ar;
hiwsem = weave/plait Ar; lüsil (inf) = w/p Lar; fsEl Nor; NAr;
(compare pl > l / p ( > pH > f > xW ) in:
fealh OE; felly \ felloe E; xecH \ hecH = felloe Ar;
> 2) C is voiceless, epenthetic /d/ is voiced
Which? If ánthro:pos, then, as I've said before:
C > (+v) (+H) / _R
or opp.
Ex. w rk / rg include:
morc^ \ morc^H = young branch / stick Ar;
* mUrky: > mrkva SC; morkóv' = carrot R;
while another word for 'hornbeam' shows kr. > gR in the opp. group:
hornbeam E; carpinus L; grab R; skrúoblas Lith;
> 3) /r/ in anthro:pos isn't from */r./,
How do you know?
otherwise:
> a) either *h2nr-h3kw-o-s would have /r./ > /rV/ in Mycenaean time (or
> later) and then no more treatment of epenthetic /d/ (/in /nr/) as in
> 'Graeco-Armenian'
> b) or it would have it earlier, but then the difference from *h2nr-os
> > andros would require an explication that Your doctrine of optional
> alternations is intrinsically incapable of formulating (it seems You
> don't realize every example You give is by itself a falsification of
> such an explanation)
That makes no sense.