Re: On Greek thalassa 'sea'

OK let's stop once for ever this debate. If You think it makes no
sense, well, it's Your problem. You in Your Highness cast doubt on
evenry sound-law, making it an optional law (how can it then be a
rule?) according to Your personal evealutain of what is cognate and
what's not, but at the same time You want symmetry in rules and
pretend that if an alternation is found then every other similar sound
must ruthlessly have similar alternations.
Do You want at any rate that anthro:pos '+ human, +/- male' is the
same as ane:r '+/- human, + male' (i.e. without any + feature in
common)? You're welcome, go in peace! Stlatos... the Great... the
Winner of the Neogrammarians... wow, fantastic, this is science

2013/2/11, stlatos <sean@...>:

>
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy wrote:
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>> 2013/2/10, stlatos :
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 2013/1/29, stlatos :
>
>> >> > árthron = joint G; vs
>> >> > artus -u:s L; ard -u- = order Ar;
>> >>
>> >> Armenian /rd/ < */rt/
>> >
>> >
>> > Also, though I didn't give this as ev., sometimes rt > rtH in Ar:
>> >
>> > kartH -i- = fish-hook / leg Ar;
>> >
>> > probably rel. to:
>> >
>> > kart-nagl = twisted nail ON;
>> >
>> > so this rd could also be ev. for dH, just less certain than the others
>> > I
>> > gave.
>> >
>> >
>> > The opt. alt. in:
>> >
>> > tarpós = large wicker basket G; tHarpH = large wicker fishing-basket /
>> > creel, tHarb = wicker trellis-work Ar;
>> >
>> > makes it likely there was opt. alt. for all Cr / rC (due to r. > R).
>
>> >
>> Bhr.:
>> 1) all examples are from rC, not Cr
>
>
> Do you mean for Ar? Then:
>
> astr \ azdr = thigh / shoulder(-blade) Ar;
>
> which shows the opt. itself.
>
>
> Other ex. of opt. for Ar are hard to find since Cr > rC in many words:
>
> surb = sacred / pure Ar; çubhrá- \ çubhrí- = shining / beautiful RV S;
>
> besides complex changes in clusters:
>
> ostrús = hop hornbeam G;
> ortH Ar; hardhi = grapevine Al;
>
> skór(o)don G; hurdhë Al; *kHsort > xstor -i- = garlic Ar;
>
>
> The opt. (s)tr > r(s)t > rt / etc. seen in ortH is sim. to opt. st > ts (
>> c ) and rs > rts ( > rc ) , etc.:
>
> brjóst ON; bréost OE; breast E;
> brusts Go; brust OHG; *rbust > erbuc = breast of animals Ar;
>
> Tuisco \ Tuisto = (Ymir ?)
> twisk = twofold OSx; zwisk = twofold / double OHG;
> dvis.t.ha- = ambiguous S; erkicH-s = twice/again Ar;
>
> túrsis \ túrris = tower G; turid = tower/pillar, tor EIr; tor \ torr =
> tower/castle/crest Ir; tòrr = conical hill Ga;
> *túrs- > tHurc = cheek, tHus^ -a- = cheek, tHuR = swelling Ar;
>
> (compare rs. in:
> tHars^amim \ tHaRamim = wither Ar; tHrus.nì = thirst(y) Khow;
> )
>
> in which r.s > r.s. with opt. s. > s^ (or sim.).
>
>
> The opt. (s)k / kHs / x(s) / etc. of *kHsort > xstor is also seen in:
>
> sceolh = crooked OE; scelus = evil deed / crime L; skoliós = c, skellós =
> c-legged G;
> kaL = lame, xeL = mutilated / lame, s^eL = slanting / crooked, s^eLim = go
> astray, s^aLim = be mistaken/confused, sxal = mistake/failure/crime Ar;
>
> in which ks > ks. with opt. s. > s^ (or sim.).
>
>
> Not only opt. kH > x but pH > f ( > xW > w / h ) :
>
> septem L; secht+N OIr; ewtHn Ar;
>
> pedica = fetter L; fetel = belt, feter = shackle OE; fetter E; pHiwlake: =
> prison Ar;
>
> pay = foot(step) / track P; >> anpHayi -ea- \ amayi -ea- =
> uninhabited/desert/untrodden Ar;
>
> with nxW > nw > mw > m .
>
>
> The dia. Iran. kY > cY > sY > T shows that TY was dental, and in Ar opt.
> dental s() > T > f ( > xW > w ) in:
>
> * gYnòxWskY- > c^anac^Hem Ar;
> * -ti- > canawtH -i- = an acquaintance Ar;
>
> and (with rare tH > s):
>
> * plekYtí+s > hiws -i- = plait Ar;
> hiwsem = weave/plait Ar; lüsil (inf) = w/p Lar; fsEl Nor; NAr;
>
> (compare pl > l / p ( > pH > f > xW ) in:
> fealh OE; felly \ felloe E; xecH \ hecH = felloe Ar;
>
>
>> 2) C is voiceless, epenthetic /d/ is voiced
>
>
> Which? If ánthro:pos, then, as I've said before:
>
> C > (+v) (+H) / _R
>
> or opp.
>
>
> Ex. w rk / rg include:
>
> morc^ \ morc^H = young branch / stick Ar;
> * mUrky: > mrkva SC; morkóv' = carrot R;
>
> while another word for 'hornbeam' shows kr. > gR in the opp. group:
>
> hornbeam E; carpinus L; grab R; skrúoblas Lith;
>
>
>> 3) /r/ in anthro:pos isn't from */r./,
>
>
> How do you know?
>
>
> otherwise:
>> a) either *h2nr-h3kw-o-s would have /r./ > /rV/ in Mycenaean time (or
>> later) and then no more treatment of epenthetic /d/ (/in /nr/) as in
>> 'Graeco-Armenian'
>> b) or it would have it earlier, but then the difference from *h2nr-os
>> > andros would require an explication that Your doctrine of optional
>> alternations is intrinsically incapable of formulating (it seems You
>> don't realize every example You give is by itself a falsification of
>> such an explanation)
>
>
> That makes no sense.
>
>
>