Re: On Greek thalassa 'sea'

2013/2/10, stlatos <sean@...>:

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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy wrote:
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>> 2013/1/29, stlatos :
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>> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy wrote:
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>> >> Since the obvious epenthetical plosive is voiced /d/, I fail to
>> >> understand
>> >> how could it be that we get a voiceless aspirate unless through a sort
>> >> of
>> >> double sound shift by which one would expect at least /ph/ if not
>> >> anything
>> >> more instead of /p/ of -pos
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>> > There are many words showing t/dH alt. before r:
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>> > vártra-m S; vart = shield Os; vs
>> > várdhra-s = strap/girdle/belt S;
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>> two suffixes; if they have common origin, it's */th/, not */d/
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>> > árthron = joint G; vs
>> > artus -u:s L; ard -u- = order Ar;
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>> Armenian /rd/ < */rt/
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> Also, though I didn't give this as ev., sometimes rt > rtH in Ar:
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> kartH -i- = fish-hook / leg Ar;
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> probably rel. to:
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> kart-nagl = twisted nail ON;
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> so this rd could also be ev. for dH, just less certain than the others I
> gave.
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> The opt. alt. in:
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> tarpós = large wicker basket G; tHarpH = large wicker fishing-basket /
> creel, tHarb = wicker trellis-work Ar;
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> makes it likely there was opt. alt. for all Cr / rC (due to r. > R).
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Bhr.:
1) all examples are from rC, not Cr
2) C is voiceless, epenthetic /d/ is voiced
3) /r/ in anthro:pos isn't from */r./, otherwise:
a) either *h2nr-h3kw-o-s would have /r./ > /rV/ in Mycenaean time (or
later) and then no more treatment of epenthetic /d/ (/in /nr/) as in
'Graeco-Armenian'
b) or it would have it earlier, but then the difference from *h2nr-os

> andros would require an explication that Your doctrine of optional

alternations is intrinsically incapable of formulating (it seems You
don't realize every example You give is by itself a falsification of
such an explanation)