Re: bidet

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Tavi" <oalexandre@...> wrote:

>
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "dgkilday57" dgkilday57@ wrote:
> >
> > I must retract this notion of Basque <praka(k)> 'breech(es),
> > trouser(s)' (Bisc., Guip.) being borrowed directly from Gaulish and
> > undergoing anlaut-fortition.
> >
> > This mechanism fails to account for other Basque words in p- which
> > must come either from Romance or earlier Latin words in b- or v-.
> Such
> > are <palatu> 'stockade, enclosure' (Bisc. ~ Sp. <vallado>), <pasta>
> > 'pack-saddle' (Guip. ~ Sp. <basto>), <pazi> 'caldron' (High Nav.,
> Guip.
> > ~ Sp. <bacina> 'poor-box'), and <perruca> 'wart' (Ronc. ~ Sp.
> > <verruga>).
> >
> > > Don't forget about palaga(t)u 'to praise', from Hispano-Arabic
> xálaq
> > > 'to smooth, to polish' (Spanish halagar). Also perruka (with /k/ in
> > > Basque ortography) is a dialect form restricted to Roncalese.
> >
> I recently bought a copy of the Spanish edition of Elcock's old book
> (1938) "De quelques affinités phonétiques entre l'aragonais et le
> béarnais", whose map nº22 shows the distribution of the reflexes
> of Latin verru:ca. Here you can see Roncalese perruka corresponds to
> Aragonese berruca.
>
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/files/Elcock-verruga.jpg
>

Are you Clark Kent? You can see Roncalese forms inside the blacked-out Pays Basque?

Aragonese forms with -k- not -g- appear to delineate territory that was still Basque-speaking when the local Romance intervocalic stops became voiced. The same goes for Bearnais -k- against -g-. When these chunks of territory became Romance-speaking, they borrowed the Basque term for 'wart', itself of Latin origin.

I suppose the variants burr-, borr-, barr- are due to folk-etymology, though the contaminants are not immediately obvious, and I do not have the REW handy.

Unfortunately this map tells us nothing about the absolute (or even relative) time during which Roncalese acquired the word, which is of paramount interest in this problem.

DGK