Re: Greek _kithara_ and German _Gitter_

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:

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> Isn't gittern from Greek Kithara? and this related to guitar and zither? Or not?
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The question was about

Gitter = grid/grille/grating/lattice(work) NHG;

which didn't have -i- but -e- or -a- (by K), as shown by cognates like Gatter.

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> From: stlatos <sean@...>
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> Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2012 4:59 PM
> Subject: [tied] Re: Greek _kithara_ and German _Gitter_
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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Jörg Rhiemeier <joerg_rhiemeier@> wrote:
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> > Hallo Indo-Europeanists!
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> > Could these be cognate (from a PIE *ghidh-ro-)?
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> > I know that a harp is not the same as a grid, but they *are*
> > somewhat similar - both have a frame, one has strings and the
> > other has bars. The Duden Herkunftswörterbuch gives a different
> > etymology for _Gitter_, but that one looks contrived to me.
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> It's hard to separate it from Gatter = gate ; see Pok. ghedh-:
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> ahd. gataro, nhd. Gatter (umgelautet mhd. geter, nhd. Gitter), aschwed. gadder, mnd. gaddere `Gitter';
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> and maybe also:
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> tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/24461
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> > word, "lit. [...] gardìs f. `Gatter, Gitter'", meaning open fencework as in
> > railings or a trellis
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> So, I'd say they're not related. I've already talked about kítharis \ kithára: = lyre G; kañkle:s Lith; >> kantele Fn;
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