Re: Basque onddo

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
<bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@...> wrote:

>
> > Basque onddo /onJo/ comes from "Cantabrian" Romance *Fongo (where
> > /F/is a bilabial voiceless fricative) > Spanish hongo.
> >
> > I must insist that palatalization in onddo has *nothing* to do with
> > the Romance one from [nn] or [nj], but it's related to some types of
> > expressive palatalization. For example, Spanish rechoncho (from
> > *choncho with contamination from redondo 'round'), Galician zoncho

'chubby'

> > come from a palatalized form *conco ~ *tSontSo related to Spanish

tonto,

> > zonzo 'dumb, stupid'.
> >
> > By a similar process, a velar stop /k, g/ can become a palatal /c,
> > J/, and eventually depalatalized as /t, d/. But /dj/ > /gj/ is also
> > possible, as in txindil > txingil 'lentil' or sugandilla >
> > sura(i)ngilla 'lizard'.
>
> We have had a sufficient number of discussions to realize that we
> adhere
> to different epistemological frames, and this is reaffirmed by the
> present
> case, where I was asking for a Sound Law, whil You look completely
> satisfied with an explanation like " it's related to some types of
> expressive palatalization"...
>
> > Actually, this is a *sound law* by which some consonants, e.g. /t,

ts/

> > get into the corresponding palatals /c, tS/. At the same time, I

warned

> > you against the confusion with other types of palatalization common

in

> > Romance.
>
> How is this Sound Law predictable?
>

You can see its "victims" are velar stops.