Re: PIE suffix =t in food?

A zero-grade reconstruction *h2/4lh{x}-u-t- is both very good and,
notably, very Venetic ("non-Padanian" is alas scarcely distinctive,
since real or, if You want, Adriatic Venetic is never attested in the
Po Basin; "Cisalpine Venetic" would have the relative advantage to be
in accordance with the majority of the evidence); it becomes
non-Venetic only if one postulates (since it's a postulation) that it
can't continue an /o/-grade (in Venetic it could).
Surely neither You nor T. did invent invent non-Adriatic Venetic; I
wrote "hypothetical", and Schwarz' priority doesn't affect its degree
of hypotheticity

2012/11/1, dgkilday57 <dgkilday57@...>:

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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
> <bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@...> wrote:
>>
>> Do You postulate an /o/-grade or a hypothetical Sound Law */a/ > */o/
>> in a hypothetical language like non-Venetic Venetic?
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> Neither. Since Latin <caput> appears to contain zero-grade like <capere>
> (full-grade <ce:pi:>, root *keh1p-, originally stative 'I hold up', whence
> inceptive <capio:> 'I pick up, HEAVE'), I presume North Venetic *olut also
> had zero-grade, the root being of the form *h2/4elh{x}- (i.e. /a/-colored
> laryngeal anlaut, undetermined lar. auslaut).
>
> Note that Torsten and I did not invent non-Padanian Venetic. Ernst Schwarz
> invoked it as a substrate to explain South German Fils/Vils and a few other
> river-names, and while Hans Krahe disagreed with him on the river-names, he
> was gracious enough to allow Schwarz to publish in BzNf.
>
> (But I suspect you already know all that.)
>
> DGK
>
>> 2012/10/30, dgkilday57 <dgkilday57@...>:
>> >
>> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Tavi" <oalexandre@> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Joao S. Lopes" <josimo70@> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > PIE *h2elut "beer" (Latin alu:men, English ale)
>> >> >
>> >> This is a Wanderwort referring to some fermented drink found in
>> >> several
>> >> languages:
>> >> Georgian (a)ludi 'beer'
>> >> Avar rid� 'whey'
>> >> Tsezi orodu 'beer'
>> >> Armenian ort 'wine' (possibly an Urartian loanword)
>> >> Albaian ardhi 'wine'
>> >> Basque ardao 'wine' < *arda-dano (second member from a root 'to
>> >> drink')
>> >
>> > Finnish/Estonian <olut> suggests that Germanic was not the immediate
>> > source,
>> > but another IE language provided the word to both Finnic and Germanic.
>> > Since Torsten is on vacation, I will be the one to suggest Venetic.
>> > The
>> > structure is possibly parallel to Latin <caput> 'head', and the root
>> > perhaps
>> > means 'froth, foam' as in <Alwin> and a few other river-names. Gothic
>> > loanwords occur in the Caucasus but I cannot say whether that is the
>> > immediate source of the Georgian word listed above.
>> >
>> > DGK
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