From: Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
Message: 70376
Date: 2012-11-01
> A zero-grade reconstruction *h2/4lh{x}-u-t- is both very good and,
> notably, very Venetic ("non-Padanian" is alas scarcely distinctive,
> since real or, if You want, Adriatic Venetic is never attested in the
> Po Basin; "Cisalpine Venetic" would have the relative advantage to be
> in accordance with the majority of the evidence); it becomes
> non-Venetic only if one postulates (since it's a postulation) that it
> can't continue an /o/-grade (in Venetic it could).
> Surely neither You nor T. did invent invent non-Adriatic Venetic; I
> wrote "hypothetical", and Schwarz' priority doesn't affect its degree
> of hypotheticity
>
> 2012/11/1, dgkilday57 <dgkilday57@...>:
>>
>>
>> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
>> <bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Do You postulate an /o/-grade or a hypothetical Sound Law */a/ > */o/
>>> in a hypothetical language like non-Venetic Venetic?
>>
>> Neither. Since Latin <caput> appears to contain zero-grade like <capere>
>> (full-grade <ce:pi:>, root *keh1p-, originally stative 'I hold up',
>> whence
>> inceptive <capio:> 'I pick up, HEAVE'), I presume North Venetic *olut
>> also
>> had zero-grade, the root being of the form *h2/4elh{x}- (i.e. /a/-colored
>> laryngeal anlaut, undetermined lar. auslaut).
>>
>> Note that Torsten and I did not invent non-Padanian Venetic. Ernst
>> Schwarz
>> invoked it as a substrate to explain South German Fils/Vils and a few
>> other
>> river-names, and while Hans Krahe disagreed with him on the river-names,
>> he
>> was gracious enough to allow Schwarz to publish in BzNf.
>>
>> (But I suspect you already know all that.)
>>
>> DGK
>>
>>> 2012/10/30, dgkilday57 <dgkilday57@...>:
>>> >
>>> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Tavi" <oalexandre@> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Joao S. Lopes" <josimo70@> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > PIE *h2elut "beer" (Latin alu:men, English ale)
>>> >> >
>>> >> This is a Wanderwort referring to some fermented drink found in
>>> >> several
>>> >> languages:
>>> >> Georgian (a)ludi 'beer'
>>> >> Avar rid� 'whey'
>>> >> Tsezi orodu 'beer'
>>> >> Armenian ort 'wine' (possibly an Urartian loanword)
>>> >> Albaian ardhi 'wine'
>>> >> Basque ardao 'wine' < *arda-dano (second member from a root 'to
>>> >> drink')
>>> >
>>> > Finnish/Estonian <olut> suggests that Germanic was not the immediate
>>> > source,
>>> > but another IE language provided the word to both Finnic and Germanic.
>>> > Since Torsten is on vacation, I will be the one to suggest Venetic.
>>> > The
>>> > structure is possibly parallel to Latin <caput> 'head', and the root
>>> > perhaps
>>> > means 'froth, foam' as in <Alwin> and a few other river-names. Gothic
>>> > loanwords occur in the Caucasus but I cannot say whether that is the
>>> > immediate source of the Georgian word listed above.
>>> >
>>> > DGK
>>
>>
>>
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