From: Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
Message: 70192
Date: 2012-10-15
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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
> <bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@...> wrote:
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>> 1) Sanguis has both -i- and -i:- in the nominative, so the etymology
>> does work for *-i-
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> There's no reason for a word ending in -is in L to become -i:s . The opp.
> isn't true; fem. -i: or -i:s in Skt corresponds to -is in L, making (prob.
> analogical to masc. -is , -us) change for all such likely in that direction.
> Therefore, a reason for older -i:s not -is must be found, especially since
> Old L showed -en or (in asser) -er for a word already known to be an
> r/n-stem (in Skt, etc.).
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>> 2) Irene Balles text (Lateinische sanguis "Blut", in Compositiones
>> Indogermanicae in memoriam Jochem Schindler. Herausgegeben von Heiner
>> Eichner und Hans Christian uschützky unter redaktioneller Mitwirkung
>> von Velizar Sadovski, S. 3-17) has precisely *-i-, so I had to report
>> it correctly
>> 3) In order to explain *-i-, a suffix *-in- would be a regular
>> explanation, since its function is comparable with the one of both
>> *-i- and *-n-.
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> There's no reason for that middle -h1gw- in *h1sh2n-h1gw-i-s. Compare
> iter, itineris (analogical for r/n-stem * iter, itinis), also with the nom.
> ending carried over into a long oblique. If it had later become X itiner,
> itineris , it would exactly parallel sanguen.
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> I do believe the IE word contained -in- at one stage, but so did all -mn
> and r/n-stems, which seldom show it.
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>> This is meant as contribution to the discussion
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> Noted.
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>> 2012/10/12, stlatos <sean@...>:
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>> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
>> > <bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@> wrote:
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>> >> In Irene Balles' etymology they can be analyzed as related but
>> >> different
>> >> compounds:
>> >> *h1sh2n-h1gw-n > sanguen
>> >> *h1sh2n-h1gw-i-s > sanguis
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>> > L sangui:s has a long -i:- in the nom., so that doesn't work.
>> > Compare
>> > *welt > vult, *vels > vi:s. The -gw- should obviously be from IE gW
>> > since
>> > Sanskrit had -k. There are also many other problems with the above.
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>> >> 2012/10/11 stlatos <sean@>
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>> >> > Even if alapa was an Etruscan loanword, it wouldn't necessarily
>> >> > avoid
>> >> > weakening, since weakening occurred even in early loans from Greek,
>> >> > like
>> >> > balaneion >> balineum (also w/o preserved -a-, against your
>> >> > supposedly
>> >> > regular rule).
>> >> >
>> >> > An irregular rule is needed to show why accounts of OL show
>> >> > assara:tum
>> >> > =
>> >> > ~blood wine, but aser = blood. Even OL sanguen but L sangui:s
>> >> > suggest
>> >> > it
>> >> > goes far back if:
>> >> >
>> >> > *
>> >> > ashargW ashan+
>> >> > ashangW ashan+ (analogy; opt.)
>> >> > ashangW ashangW+ (analogy)
>> >> > ashan ashangW+
>> >> > ashangWan ashangW+ (analogy)
>> >> > ashangWan ashangWan+ (analogy)
>> >> > as_angWan
>> >> > asangWan
>> >> > sangWan
>> >> > sangWen
>> >> >
>> >> > sangWen
>> >> > sangWel (dis; opt.)
>> >> > sangWel+s (analogy)
>> >> > sangWels
>> >> > sangWeys
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