Re: elementum

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy <bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@...> wrote:

>
> 1) Sanguis has both -i- and -i:- in the nominative, so the etymology
> does work for *-i-

There's no reason for a word ending in -is in L to become -i:s . The opp. isn't true; fem. -i: or -i:s in Skt corresponds to -is in L, making (prob. analogical to masc. -is , -us) change for all such likely in that direction. Therefore, a reason for older -i:s not -is must be found, especially since Old L showed -en or (in asser) -er for a word already known to be an r/n-stem (in Skt, etc.).

> 2) Irene Balles text (Lateinische sanguis "Blut", in Compositiones
> Indogermanicae in memoriam Jochem Schindler. Herausgegeben von Heiner
> Eichner und Hans Christian uschützky unter redaktioneller Mitwirkung
> von Velizar Sadovski, S. 3-17) has precisely *-i-, so I had to report
> it correctly
> 3) In order to explain *-i-, a suffix *-in- would be a regular
> explanation, since its function is comparable with the one of both
> *-i- and *-n-.

There's no reason for that middle -h1gw- in *h1sh2n-h1gw-i-s. Compare iter, itineris (analogical for r/n-stem * iter, itinis), also with the nom. ending carried over into a long oblique. If it had later become X itiner, itineris , it would exactly parallel sanguen.


I do believe the IE word contained -in- at one stage, but so did all -mn and r/n-stems, which seldom show it.

> This is meant as contribution to the discussion

Noted.

>
> 2012/10/12, stlatos <sean@...>:
> >
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
> > <bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@> wrote:
> >>
> >> In Irene Balles' etymology they can be analyzed as related but different
> >> compounds:
> >> *h1sh2n-h1gw-n > sanguen
> >> *h1sh2n-h1gw-i-s > sanguis
> >>
> >
> >
> > L sangui:s has a long -i:- in the nom., so that doesn't work. Compare
> > *welt > vult, *vels > vi:s. The -gw- should obviously be from IE gW since
> > Sanskrit had -k. There are also many other problems with the above.
> >
> >
> >> 2012/10/11 stlatos <sean@>
> >>
> >
> >> > Even if alapa was an Etruscan loanword, it wouldn't necessarily avoid
> >> > weakening, since weakening occurred even in early loans from Greek,
> >> > like
> >> > balaneion >> balineum (also w/o preserved -a-, against your supposedly
> >> > regular rule).
> >> >
> >> > An irregular rule is needed to show why accounts of OL show assara:tum
> >> > =
> >> > ~blood wine, but aser = blood. Even OL sanguen but L sangui:s suggest
> >> > it
> >> > goes far back if:
> >> >
> >> > *
> >> > ashargW ashan+
> >> > ashangW ashan+ (analogy; opt.)
> >> > ashangW ashangW+ (analogy)
> >> > ashan ashangW+
> >> > ashangWan ashangW+ (analogy)
> >> > ashangWan ashangWan+ (analogy)
> >> > as_angWan
> >> > asangWan
> >> > sangWan
> >> > sangWen
> >> >
> >> > sangWen
> >> > sangWel (dis; opt.)
> >> > sangWel+s (analogy)
> >> > sangWels
> >> > sangWeys