From: Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
Message: 69733
Date: 2012-06-02
>Bhrihskwobhloukstroy:
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
> <bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@...> wrote:
>>
>> 2012/5/25, dgkilday57 <dgkilday57@...>:
>> >
>> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Trond Engen <trond@> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> dgkilday57:
>> >> >
>> >> > [...]
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks very much. I actually misread the map index, and the Bart
>> >> > was
>> >> > on the French side of the border in De'p. Doubs (and I still cannot
>> >> > locate it on the map), apparently the same place found by Bh.
>> >>
>> >> It's a village about to be swallowed of the agglomeration of
>> >> Montbéliard
>> >> (midway between Besançon and Mulhouse, just off the Swiss wart). I
>> >> found
>> >> it easily in Google Earth, but here's a cyclemap that renders
>> >> topography
>> >> simple and well:
>> >> <http://www.openstreetmap.no/?zoom=14&lat=47.48665&lon=6.77523&layers=0B0000>.
>> >>
>> >> The most prominent topographic feature seems to be Mont Bart, a hill
>> >> with a fort, but there's also a brook running into l'Allan, and the
>> >> confluence of l'Alan and le Doubs is nearby..
>> >
>> > I see. Bart is just southeast of Dung. Since there is no point in
>> > carrying
>> > things over a hill, I can hardly justify Lig. *barto- < *bHr.-to- here.
>> >
>> > DGK
>> >
>> Bhrihskwobhloukstroy:
>>
>> Would a Celtic *barti- = OIr. bairt then be conceivable, maybe as a
>> female river-deity?
>
> Conceivable yes, but why would her name be attached to a hill? I would be
> more inclined here to follow one of your other suggestions, a derivative of
> *bHah2go- 'beech' (*ba:go- in both Celtic and Ligurian) with *-g- absorbed
> in the modern form. We do have Brienz < *Brigantia in this general area
> (either Celt. or Lig. if we derive it from *wr(e)igH- 'to wriggle, twist,
> turn' like Gallo-Latin <brigantes> 'parasitic worms').
>
> DGK
>
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