Re: DOBUR / DOBHAR < =====> DIBAR / DABRA-H

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Octavià Alexandre <oalexandre@...>
wrote:

>
> > Just to make it more interesting to you, I will introduce you to yet

another C. A. term from a secondary root

> > dbr (2): "dibar / dabra-h" which means "water channel."
> >
> > http://www.theegyptianchronicles.com/LINKS/DBR2.html
> > Now compare it with the Old Irish "dobur" & modern Gaelic as

"dobhar" below:

> >
> > "The eighteenth-century writer quoted by Blake and Lloyd, Theophilus

Evans, makes the equation

> > between Wysc and a word ‘visc’ used ‘by the

Gwyddel of Ireland… for Dwfr’; in fact, the word occurs as
uisg

> > in Gaelic to mean ‘water’ and is found in an early

Irish glossary in the form esc. What this shows is that the

> > Brittonic word *ĭscā, ‘water’, > has a

cognate in Irish; so does dwfr, which occurs in Old Irish as dobur and

> > modern Gaelic as dobhar. In other words, both languages have more

than one word for water. This

> > is not surprising. However, the evidence of placenames suggests that

those rivers regarded as being *ĭscās

> > were not interchangeable with those regarded as *dŭbrās.

The former have names that survive as various

> > Axes, Exes, Usks and so on; the latter include the River Dee (Welsh

Dyfrdwy, literally ‘waters of Dee’,

> > *dÅ­brās dÄ"uās)." Ref. The River Severn/Hafren and

Caerleon/Caerlleon

>
> Yes, this is Celtic *dubro- ‘water’ (which Matasovic

conflates with *dubo- ‘dark’), although the proposed link

> to other IE words meaning ‘deep’ is also dubious IMHO

(see Delamarre’s Dictionnaire de la langue gauloise for

> more details).
>
> I’d relate this and the Arabic word to the hydronym Tiber,

likely of Etruscan origin (thepri-, thefri- thifari-

> ‘channel’) and to Pre-Greek *dabur in laburínthos.

This is parallel to Hurrian tem-ari ‘irrigation ditch;

> channel’, which Starostin links to NEC *ta:mh\i ‘vein;

pipe, kennel’. There’s also Turkic *da.mor ‘vein,
artery;

> root’.
>

As in the case of the 'apple' word, the concatenation of a nasal and a
laryngeal would have lead to the denasalization of the former.