Re: Kluge's Law in Italic? (was: Volcae and Volsci)

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <stlatos@...> wrote:

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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <stlatos@> wrote:
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> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <stlatos@> wrote:
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> > > I think the only semantic connection is 'wide, broad, spread out' w 'wide (field), earth (goddess)', such as Litavi: Gaul; Plataiaí G; pr,th[i]ví:- V S; ptsí = measure for fields Kamv; and formally the suffix is the very common "god-maker" *-xY-n.o- .

What basis do you have for arbitrarily infixing a lateral into a PIE root?

> > Another bit of ev. for the equivalent meaning 'wide' for deriv. of *pet-x+ and *pelt-x+ in at least Italic is:
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> > Patavium L; Padua It;
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> > a place-name orig. prob. just 'field, land', like Plataiaí , etc.

That is a mere guess on your part. The -d- is ancient (Catullus etc.) and the -t- in <Patavium> is best explained as reflecting an Etruscan intermediate form, since this area was heavily colonized by Etruscans in the 7th-6th c. BCE. That is, the pre-Etr. protoform *Padowi- was Etruscanized as *Patawi- and passed to the archaic Romans as *Pataviom.

This can hardly be separated from <Padus> 'the Po', which Metrodorus Scepsius (ap. Plin.) connected with Gaulish or Galatian <padus> 'pitch-pine', but since the Etruscans were there several centuries before the Gauls, such an explanation is dubious. The names are more likely Illyrian in origin like <Ravenna> and <Tarvisium>.

> So, assuming a relation of pateo: with petánnu:mi , met. of e-a: > a-e: could have been included, instead of a derivative in *-exY+, though it's hard to tell.

Hard to tell anything, when arbitrary optional soundlaws are pulled out of a hat!

DGK