>You have removed my premisses,(??)
>and argued against my conclusion(??)
>The important thing here was the *oldest*, pre-Ostsiedlung layerI know; yet the beginning of OS is also important, since the
>of German loanwords in Polish.
>For that layer, what happened in the 12th-13th century CE is >irrelevant.It is.
>>Von den drei groÃen d. Dialektgruppen Obd., Md. und Nd.Actually, in the era of old OHG, one barely can speak of "Obd,
>>Mit obd. Dialekten hat das P. auch in Ã¤lterer Zeit keine direkteThis might tempt one conclude that those "ostelbische" ancient
>>Die Wörter sollen demnach mit einer von Oberdeutschland ausgehendenWhich must have been the "normal" path: for a long time, the cultural
>>Kulturströmung über Böhmen, Mähren und Schlesien ins P. gekommen
>>sein, wobei dem md. Schlesien im wesentlichen nur eine vermittelnde
> Also in older times Polish didn't have any direct contact with Upper German dialects.If those numerous Germanic tribes (Suebians, Langobards etc.)
>Upper German words thus could only have come into Polish by >transmisson through Czech (hardly through Upper Sorbian).Yes. But one can assume a Czech-Moravian-Sorbian-Polish dialectal
>In Bohemia and Moravia a strong German influence is active early.Because they quite early belonged to the Holy Roman Empire.
>It is conditioned not so much on the remaining local GermanicMeine Rede! :)
>splinter populations (descendants of Marcomanni, Quadi, Langobardi)
>as on the German resettlement in the 12th century.
>Considering the young place name layers, Bretholz' idea of an/To memorize: ***"young place name layers***/
>Upper German loanwords should thus for the above-mentioned reasonsDes woaß ma scho, des kunnst glaam.
>be expected only for the older layers. By the evaluation of Upper
>German phonetic phenomena due diligence is recommended, since East
>Central German dialects, especially Mountain Silesian and
>GlÃ¤tz.(?), show, as the last remnant of the layer of Bavarian
>settlement, a number of Upper German phonetic developments
>Interesting, but not relevant to the topic of German loanwords inThe Ordo Teutonicus presence in the neighborhood also might have had
>I think, correct me if I'm wrong, that you're trying here, as you'veNot the same, but similar (way much closer to one another, as far
>done before, to argue that since Central German and Upper German
>dialects are similar, they are the same.
>However, similar =/= identical.Compare your own idiom, Danish, with them: LG is much closer to
>Similar does not mean identical.Wem sachn Se das!... :)
>If you want to argue that the earliest German loans to Polish are >Central German, not Upper German, please do.Oh no, I won't. I some time ago vaguely also read Obd. was the
>1. Those Upper German words were carried on a 'Kulturströmung'Li'l wonder: the oldest OHG written remnants were jotted down in
>going from Bavaria via the Czech lands to Lesser Poland (Walther
>2. Old Upper German was once spoken in the Old Polish area, beforeAwright. I expect the next questions: "Was this due to mere influen-
>the Ostsiedlung of the 12th-13th century (as I also proposed earlier