Re: Latin acipe:nser "sturgeon"

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:
>
> This word should be in the archives for the Nostratic list, if not the early
> CybaList. I remember Carrasquer Vidal and Trask, inter alii, discussing it, c.
> 1998 or so, along with other aci- words in Latin.
>

Actually, I didn't see that (the only other explanation would probaby be a borrowing of ~ * pisaNgo > * pIstroNgU ). I did, however, see this:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/2811

which I remember from searching a while ago, though I don't think I knew what the solution to any problem was. Now I can give it a complete explanation.

There was no pt > ft > st , only pHt > ft > st :

*
grebHti()
grepHti()
grefti()
gresti()

*
px-fYr.-wó+
px-TYr.-wó+
px-t*Yr.-wó+
px-t.Yr.-wó+
px-t.yr.-wó+
px-t.r.-wyó+
pHx-t.r.-wyó+
pHxt.r.-wyó+
pHxt.r.-uyó+
pHxt.r.u-yó+
pHt.r.u-yó+
ft.r.u-yó+
st.r.u-yó+

or (more similar to Piotr's) ??

pHxt.r.-wyó+
pHt.r.wx-yó+ needed??
pHt.r.ux-yó+
ft.r.ux-yó+
st.r.ux-yó+

*
pxfYó:r. = having been fathered (by) / offspring
etc. (as in: apáto:r = fatherless G
px-t.Yór.+
px-t.ór.+
pHx-t.ór.+
pHxt.ór.+
pHt.ór.+
ft.ór.+
st.ór.+
storU >>
storUkU (dim)

pa-storUkU = stepson OCS;

The px > pHx is unusual in IE, so the solution wouldn't be immediately obvious. However, I'm studying an Indo-Iranian group which did have it, so it jumped out at me.

The pHt > ft > st is very, very, very, early. PIE had f which usually > s* in IE. Many IE created new f that also > s* (such as Greek py > ppy > pfy > pYfYy > pYsYy > ps/pt , etc.).

The other words have dif. expl.:

nestera <contamination sestra , etc.

*
oxWkYupt!er.n.ó+
ootYupter.n.o
aasYupter.n.o
aasYutr.epn.o
aasYutr.ebn.o
aasYutr.en.bo
aasYutr.en.bo aasYutr.er.bo
aasYutr.en.bo aasYutr.e_bo dis.
aasYutr.en.bo aasYutr.eebo
astreNbU astrEbU

or sim. ?