From: Torsten
Message: 67258
Date: 2011-03-19
>Sounds like what the Russians do. Influence of the former Cyrillic spelling?
> (unicode UTF-8)
>
> >>"cioban" which should be pronounced as "tschöban" in German..
>
> Not at all. In the Romanian spelling cioban, _i_ is inserted after
> _c_ only to signalize: "pronounce it [Ä]!". There is no [jo] there
> whatsoever. (Explanation: there has been a weird habit for Romanians
> outside the Carpathian "arch" range to think of _io_ [jo] as
> an awkward substitution for _ö_; the same applies to a _iu_ [ju]
> for "ü". Such people tend to pronounce Köln [Kjoln], München
> [miunhÉn].)
> The Turkish spelling of it is _çoban_ (ç [Ä]). Variant inInteresting. Is <çoban> analyzable in Turkic as root + suffix?
> Turkic languages: _çaban_. Also _Ãolpan_ "Venus, morning star",
> as in _Ãolpan yıldızı_ or _Ãoban yıldızı_ (in Turkish "shepherd's
> star") [tÊoban; tÊolpan jɨldɨzɨ] or [jɯldɯzɯ].
> One of the _Pecheneg_ tribes described by emperor ConstantineThanks, George!
> Porphyrogenitus around AD 950 had the name _Ãoban_ or _Ãaban_
> (in Greek rendered as _Tsopon_), led by the princeling or kagan
> Bata, followed by Bula. (In those times, the Tchobans' realm
> was by the Don river (in Russia). In that century, Pechenegs
> were having manifold contacts & interactions with the Varangians
> of the _GarðarÃki_ (seemingly some Varangians were included in
> the "rank and file" of Pechenegs as well as of Proto-Hungarians).
>
> >What's a Göd?
>
> _Geld_ "money" in (east-)Austrian pronunciation (with an
> elongated [ø:]. (In Bavaria, instead of it: [ej].)
>
> Or a spelling variant for _Gött_ which is a dialectal synonym of
> "Pate"/"godfather".
>
> Or a spelling variant for the Low German name shortening
> _Göde_ < _Godefried_, _Gottfried_ (i.e., _Jeffrey_, _Geoffrey_).
>
> George
> PS: Wahrig says:The short version of what Grimm says, yes. Is that <saphan> for real or a typo (I was looking for Å¡/s alternation)?
>
> /1/ Schöffe < OHG ´´_sceffino_ < _scaffin_; zu _schaffen_ "gestalten,
> vollbringen", auch "(an)ordnen"``.
>
> /2/ _schaffen_ < OHG ´´_saphan_, _sceffen_ (stark[e Form])
> "erschaffen, gestalten", _scaffon_ (schwach) "formen, bilden"
> < got. _(ga)skapjan_ "formen, bilden"; zu idg. [= PIE] _*skab-_
> "schnitzen, gestalten"; verwandt mit _Schuppe, schaben_``