Re: Kabardian antipassives

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Torsten" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > On that avil-, BTW
> > > Orël & Stol'bova
> > > Hamito-Semitic Etymological Dictionary
> > >
> > > '1255 *h.awil- "year"
> > >
> > > Semitic *h.awl- "year":
> > > Arab h.awl-.
> > >
> > > West Chadic *h.awil- "year":
> > > Fyer wel,
> > > Sha wul,
> > > Kir `awul,
> > > DB wil.
> > >
> > > East Chadic *`aliy- < *h.ayil- "year":
> > > Smr `aliya,
> > > Kwn oleye,
> > > Tum əlay
> > > Ndam lowa,
> > > Gbr ille,
> > > Mig `ila.
> > > Metathesis and change *-w- > *-y- before a front vowel.'
> > >
> > > FWIW. A 'Saharan' word originally?
> >
> > Or you have discovered that Etruscan belongs in Afro-Asiatic. All
> > you need now are about 100 other comparanda.
>
> Actually, since I see the gloss in AA, IE and Etruscan, I think it is a Wanderwort.

But in the sense 'year', only in AA and Etruscan. With all due respect to Moeller, I think the Semitic-IE connection postulated is dubious at best.

> Møller
> Vergeichendes indogermanisch-semitisches Wörterbuch
>
> 2*ay- 'vivere' (< voridg.-sem. *H.-y-),
> + t- (< voridg. d-)
> idg. ayt- in
> gr. δί-αιτα 'Leben, Lebensart',
> akymr. oet 'aetas',
> idg. ayttu- >
> air. āes 'aetas',
> kymr. oes 'saeculum',
> o-stufig oyt- in
> gr. ο`ι~τος 'Geschick, unglückliches Geschick';
> + w- s. ayw-
> (*ay- mit d-Präformativ (s. d.) in gr. δαίμων ?);
>
> = semit. *H.-y-,
> + n- (dem idg. ayt- : oyt- parallele Bildung mit dem alten Wechsel n : d, s. SI. 77)
> arab. Perf. H.āna 'its time came, calamitate tentatus est, periit',
> II 'he appointed a time (-hu for him)',
> IV '(God) caused him to die',
> H.Ä«nun 'a space, period of time',
> H.aynun 'calamitas, exitium, the time of the appointed term (of life), time of death' (dieses H.àyn- mit dem Wechsel n : d dem idg. oyt- in gr. ο`ι~τος genau entsprechend);
> + w- semit. H.-y-w- = idg. ayw-, s. d.
>
>
> ayw- (< voridg-sem. H.-y-w- 'vivere' = *H.-y- + w-, s. 2ay-),
> lat. *aevos 'vivus', wovon
> aevitās > aetās, aevum 'Leben, Lebenszeit, Alter, Zeitalter, Zeit, Ewigkeit',
> long-aevus, got. aiv.s 'α`ιών', ni aiv 'nie',
> mit s-Präformativ got. saivala etc. 'vita, anima';
> �"-stufig idg. (āyu- (s. KZ. 42, 190) in
> sanskr. ājú- 'lebendig, beweglich', m. 'lebendes Wesen',
> avest. āju- n. 'Lebensalter, Alter, Dauer';
> + n-
> idg. aiw-n-,
> gr. α`ιών 'Leben, Lebenszeit, lange Zeit, Ewigkeit',
> Lok. α`ιήν
> + s- gr. *α`ιώς,
> Akk. α`ιώ~,
> Lok. α`ιεί,
> sanskr. á:juš n. 'Leben, Lebensdauer';
> + idg. g- (ĝ- ?)
> idg. ayug-,
> got. in ajukduþ 'ε`ις τ`ον α`ιω~να'
> ags. �"ce 'ewig',
> idg. y-wg- in
> lat. jūgis 'immerdauernd, (aqua, puteus, aquae fons) beständig fließend';
>
> = semit. H.-y-w- 'leben',
> Perf. äthiop. H.aywa
> hebr. H.ayā
> arab. H.ayya,
> Adj. (yw > yy)
> arab. H.ayyuN- 'living, having life, alive, quick, lively, (applied to God) deathless',
> hebr. H.ay 'lebend, lebendig, frisch, (vom Wasser) fließend',
> Plur. H.ayyīm 'Leben',
> arab. H.ayyatuN 'res animata, serpens',
> hebr. H.ayyā 'Tier, Leben, Seele',
> arab. ta-H.iyyatuN 'continuance, endurance, everlasting existence', H.ayātun 'life',
> H.ayawānun 'animal, res animata, res vivens, perennis, jugis aquae fons, vita',
> H.aywānun 'vivens, animal'.'
>
> > Etruscan <avil> 'year' can be understood as 'circuit, a going
> > around'; cf. <avence> 'passed away' (i.e. 'died').
>
> I think that was the sense of that Wanderwort. It must have travelled as part of astro-philosophical (or whatever one would call it) package
>
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> > You should look for other AA nouns in *-il.
>
> Yes that would demonstrate AA ancestry.

Or again a possible long-range relation between Etruscan and AA, with some of the postfixes in the former corresponding to the third radicals of certain triliterals in the latter. For several years I have regarded Etruscan as probably belonging to the West Mediterranean group (Hubschmid's Eurafrikanisch) on the basis of a handful of lexical concordances, but perhaps WM itself and AA are related, or WM even belongs in AA. (It is definitely not a branch of Berber.)

DGK