Re: Tudrus

From: Brian M. Scott
Message: 67027
Date: 2011-01-04

At 8:02:21 PM on Monday, January 3, 2011, Rick McCallister
wrote:

> From: Brian M. Scott <bm.brian@...>

>> At 7:54:08 PM on Saturday, January 1, 2011, Rick
>> McCallister wrote:

>>> From: Torsten <tgpedersen@...>

>>>>> ***I've seen lots of popular texts gloss Thiuderich
>>>>> "People's King" (vel sim) as Theodoric "Gift of God"
>>>>> --esp. the first barbarian king of Italy

>>>> That's the standard interpretation. also in Wikipedia
>>>> There is a suffix *-ri:k in German Enterich, Da.
>>>> andrik, Engl. drake (*and- "duck")

>> No suffix there: the vowel isn't long, and the second
>> element is probably a WGmc. *drako or the like, perhaps
>> originally an independent word for 'male duck'.

> I've always seen it as a (¿humorous?) derivation from
> draco

I don't think that I've seen that suggestion.

[...]

>>>> possibly Gothic Ermanaric(?)

> and not from Herrmann-Rik? "Over Lord King" (vel sim)?

The first element is *ermVn- 'wide, vast', hence 'great,
enormous'. (And <Herrmann> is *xarja-mann- 'warrior'.)

[...]

>> Gothic *Þiudareiks (LLat. <Theodoricus>) is pretty
>> clearly from *þiuðo:-ri:kaz and unrelated to the Gk.
>> name.

> In any case, one would wonder why Thiudarik would evolve
> into Derek, Dirk, Dietrich, Didier, etc.

<Didier> doesn't belong here: it's from <Desiderius>. You
want <Thierry>.

> and Theodoros just remained as Theodore, Theodore,
> Teodoro, etc. But that's another question --why classical
> names persist closer to the original form while Germanic
> names tended to evolve.

The classical models were at hand, and in many cases they
were reinforced by religion.

Brian