Re: Tudrus

At 7:54:08 PM on Saturday, January 1, 2011, Rick McCallister
wrote:

> From: Torsten <tgpedersen@...>

>>> ***I've seen lots of popular texts gloss Thiuderich
>>> "People's King" (vel sim) as Theodoric "Gift of God"
>>> --esp. the first barbarian king of Italy

>> That's the standard interpretation. also in Wikipedia
>> There is a suffix *-ri:k in
>> German Enterich, Da. andrik, Engl. drake (*and- "duck")

No suffix there: the vowel isn't long, and the second
element is probably a WGmc. *drako or the like, perhaps
originally an independent word for 'male duck

I've always seen it as a (¿humorous?) derivation from draco

>> Da. skiderik "creep, *sshole" (skide "shit")
>> Da. fulderik "drunk person" (fuld "drunk")

ODS takes these to be modelled on <drukkendidrik>, from the
LGer. <Did(e)rik>.

>> Dutch vieserik "disgusting person" (vies "dirty")
>> possibly Gothic Ermanaric(?)

and not from Herrmann-Rik? "Over Lord King" (vel sim)?

That's a straightforward dithematic name in <-ri:k>.

>> although they are traditionally derived separately from
>> anthroponyms in *-ri:k). I wonder if Brian knows something
>> about it?

>> Formed as masc. to Theodora (cf. German Ente/Enterich)?

> In grad school, I was told that Thiuderic meant "People's
> King, Army King" but that it was glossed as Teodoric based
> on folk etymology to pass him off as a non-barbarian with
> a Greek name. But many modern texts do claim that
> Thiuderic somehow is the same name as Theodoros

Gothic *Þiudareiks (LLat. <Theodoricus>) is pretty clearly
from *þiuðo:-ri:kaz and unrelated to the Gk. name.

Brian

In any case, one would wonder why Thiudarik would evolve into Derek, Dirk, Dietrich, Didier, etc. and Theodoros just remained as Theodore, Theodore, Teodoro, etc. But that's another question --why classical names persist closer to the original form while Germanic names tended to evolve.