Re: Tudrus

At 7:54:08 PM on Saturday, January 1, 2011, Rick McCallister
wrote:

> From: Torsten <tgpedersen@...>

>>> ***I've seen lots of popular texts gloss Thiuderich
>>> "People's King" (vel sim) as Theodoric "Gift of God"
>>> --esp. the first barbarian king of Italy

>> That's the standard interpretation. also in Wikipedia
>> There is a suffix *-ri:k in
>> German Enterich, Da. andrik, Engl. drake (*and- "duck")

No suffix there: the vowel isn't long, and the second
element is probably a WGmc. *drako or the like, perhaps
originally an independent word for 'male duck'.

>> Da. skiderik "creep, *sshole" (skide "shit")
>> Da. fulderik "drunk person" (fuld "drunk")

ODS takes these to be modelled on <drukkendidrik>, from the
LGer. <Did(e)rik>.

>> Dutch vieserik "disgusting person" (vies "dirty")
>> possibly Gothic Ermanaric(?)

That's a straightforward dithematic name in <-ri:k>.

>> although they are traditionally derived separately from
>> anthroponyms in *-ri:k). I wonder if Brian knows something
>> about it?

>> Formed as masc. to Theodora (cf. German Ente/Enterich)?

> In grad school, I was told that Thiuderic meant "People's
> King, Army King" but that it was glossed as Teodoric based
> on folk etymology to pass him off as a non-barbarian with
> a Greek name. But many modern texts do claim that
> Thiuderic somehow is the same name as Theodoros

Gothic *Þiudareiks (LLat. <Theodoricus>) is pretty clearly
from *þiuðo:-ri:kaz and unrelated to the Gk. name.

Brian