Res: [tied] Re: sea, seal

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> ----- Mensagem original ----
> De: tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...>
> Para: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 10 de Agosto de 2007 5:35:04
> Assunto: [tied] Re: sea, seal

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> --- In cybalist@... s.com, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@ ...> wrote:
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> > Is there a connection between "sea" and "seal", other
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> > than obvious intuition. Both are said to be non-IE
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> > substrate words.

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> > As I remember,
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> > seal < *sealh, *sealx (vel sim)
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> > sea < *saiwa (vel sim)
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> > If so, then this presupposes some sort of suffix such
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> > as*-lh, *-lx, *-lk;


--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Joao S. Lopes" <josimo70@...> wrote:
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> Connection to Greek selakhos "shark" ?


I didn't believe these two words were connected, but thought about it just in case. The only onset giving G s- and Gmc s- would be PIE ts-, with few occurrences.


The stems

sèL+ \ sàL+; tsLèxY+ \ tsLàxY+ 'be low'

form words for low/crawling/slithering animals, like the dim.:


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tsLexYmYHá:x \ tsLaxYmYHá:x \ tsLuxYmYHá:x \ tsLxYmYHá:x -ík+ -ik+

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li:ma:x 'slug' L; slimák 'snail' R;


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tsLexYkó+ \ tsLaxYkó+

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slie~kas 'earthworm' Lith; slie^ka (f) Latv; slayx OPr;


assuming a met. in dim. * tsLexYkó+ > tseLkxYó+ > silxa+z :

selr ON; seolh OE; seal E;


If < PIE, it's the only pos. I can think of. A seal looks like a slug and moves sim., enough so that the first Gmc people to see one might use such a word, especially if at a time before contact with any one group that already had a word for it.