Re: 'dyeus'

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "t0lgsoo1" <guestuser.0x9357@...> wrote:

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> >Google is your friend
> This is questionable... :)

Well, it's my friend ;-)

> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingir
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> Then this one is more tempting. "Deity" and very old (and very
> important, as a civilization).

True. Problem is, there's no consensus on who they borrowed from.

> >Here's what: A gun to your head creates necessity. Dumb nomads can
> >force any religion onto their smart pacifist neighbors if they're > >determined enough to use deadly force.
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> Nope. Only if they are strong enough in addition *otherwise* than
> via military force. Many of the "Altaic" mounted invaders weren't
> able to impose their culture onto their subdued victims; on the
> contrary, in most cases they became zoroastrians, buddhist,
> christians, moslems etc. Some of them lost their own language
> (e.g. the ruling turkic warrior "class" of the Bulgarians and of the
> Hungarians, the former got slavicized, the latter magyarized;
> and to both, their ancestor overlords, the Iranian-speaking
> Scythians/Alans merely left lexical traces). Only Turks managed
> to imposed Turkish on much of Anatolia (although Armenians,
> Greek, Kurds haven't vanished altogether) and on some Iranian-
> speaking regions (but Turkish/Turkic variants are full of Iranian-
> isms).

Exactly. Sometimes the culture of the defeated wins, sometimes that of the conqueror, so there's no reason to assume a priori that a word in the language of both groups comes from the defeated Hochkultur.

> >>(the thing we call the earth) is a disc
> >>and by no means a ball. And even if you'd add "it's fix, it
> >>doesn't move", I won't veto with the wording "eppur si muove". :-)
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> >You got that backwards. Gallileo said that, not the pope.
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> There is no pope in my sentence.

Too bad, 'cause there should have been. The pope vetoed, not Gallileo.

> But in the figura rhaetorica contained in it, it is you the one to
> assume the pope's role, whilst I'm the one supposed to mumble eppur
> si muove. :)

In this well-known figura rhaetorica, you Gellileo are mumblily vetoing "eppur si muove", and I the pope am doing what ... ? Something must have been lost in translation.

> >G. had no power to veto.
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> (I used "veto" only because it's shorter than "contradict".)

(Yes, and I use 'tea' because it's shorter than 'coffee'.)

> >Erh, what?
> >I don't do sudden things, regardless of what impression you and the
> >other George might have.
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> You can't escape St. George: your rescue is Stefan Ralf, but he
> is a Georg, i.e. George, too. And note that St. George is a
> mounted knight, similar to those Altaic warriors wielding long
> lances.

Okay, I am the pope *and* the dragon? And breathing fire on you while you mumble your veto?

> (What if Herr Privatdozent sends me a message saying
> "Er hat mich missverstanden. °Deus°, °dies°, °divus°, °tin°
> und °denj° sind keineswegs am Jenissejufer erfunden worden."? :))

If he was the type to ascribe opinions to people they haven't expressed he wouldn't be a Privatdozent.


Torsten