From: Torsten
Message: 65914
Date: 2010-03-03
>Mistake, sorry, it turns out the terms '-k set' and '-mp are John's, not yours. But in case you were referring to them, I would like to repeat my request.
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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@> wrote:
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> > At 3:32:08 AM on Tuesday, March 2, 2010, Torsten wrote:
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> > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "bmscotttg" <BMScott@>
> > > wrote:
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> > >> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Torsten" <tgpedersen@>
> > >> wrote:
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> > >>> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, johnvertical@ wrote:
> >
> > >> [...]
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> > >>>> The -k set is limited to "suck", and the -mp set is
> > >>>> limited to "swamp". There's no overlap between these
> > >>>> and I see no grounds to connect them.
> >
> > >>> My grounds for combining the 'labial series' and the
> > >>> 'velar series' is that I claim the root they descend
> > >>> from is from the combined ar-/ur- and geminate language,
> > >>> and both the ar-/ur- language and the geminate language,
> > >>> according to their respective authors, have labial/velar
> > >>> alternation in auslaut.
> >
> > >> You've not answered the objection.
> >
> > > Yes, I have.
> > > Schrijver:
> > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/62677
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> > > 'Another etymon that may originally have belonged to the
> > > language of geminates is *sugh-, *sug-, *su:k- 'to suck',
> > > which is found in Italic (Latin su:gere 'to suck', su:cus
> > > 'sap'), Celtic (Welsh sugno 'to suck' < *seuk-, Old Irish
> > > súgid < *su:g(h)-), Baltic (Latvian sùkt 'to suck') and,
> > > notably, Germanic (Old English su:can, Dutch zuiken <
> > > *su:g-, Old English socian 'to soak' < *sug-; Old English
> > > and Old High German su:gan 'to suck' < *su:k/gh-, with
> > > various ablaut grades; and also Germanic *su:p- > Germ.
> > > saufen, *supp- > German Suppe, etc.). An interchange of
> > > voiced and voiceless velar stops and also of velar and
> > > labial stops is one of the characteristics of the language
> > > of geminates, as Kuiper has pointed out.'.
> >
> > > Kuhn mentions
> > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/62578
> > > 'kriechen und nd. krupen, streichen und streifen, tauchen
> > > und taufen, nd. Siek und Siepen "feuchte Bodensenke",
> > > engl. shrink und hd. schrumpfen, Strunk und Strumpf, got.
> > > *auhns/ altschw. ugn und dt. Ofen, an. ylgr "Wölfin" und
> > > ulfr "Wolf", dt. leihen und bleiben' although he doesn't
> > > go so far as to directly assign the words to his 'other
> > > Old European language'; see also his discussion in
> > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/62531
> >
> > You've still not answered it. None of this says anything
> > about the 'swamp' set.
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> I have no idea what you are talking about. Would you be so kind as
> to specify what you mean by your terms '-k set', '-mp set' and
> 'swamp set', then I'll see if I can answer your criticism?