Re: The etymology of herold

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:

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> --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Torsten <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
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> > Lewis & Short have "indignation, wrath, animosity, anger,
> > resentment" as one of the meanings of <dolor>, with plenty of
> > classical examples.
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> Live and learn. I still think Caesar would have mentioned it if
> Ariovistus had perished with his wife.
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> ****GK: No one is claiming that Ariovistus perished "with his
> wife". He obviously managed to find a boat and cross the Rhine.
> She didn't. What happened to him afterwards is speculative. He may
> have been killed later with other fleeing Suebi.

The safe bet for Arminius army after the defeat would be to go to his once ally Voccio's Noricum, or else perhaps to Scandinavia (Harudes)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charudes
Their old home after a ver sacrum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ver_sacrum
would not be something to return to.

> All we really know is that he was dead by 54 BCE and that some
> Germanics were rather unhappy about that. As long as one is
> speculating, here's another "theory". There is no proof for it, but
> it's certainly more solid than the notion that Ariovistus became a
> priest etc...

That theory follows automatically if Ariovistus and Harigasti is the samne person. The alternative is that Voccio had a brother-in-law named *xarja-Gist- and a high priest named *xarja-Gast-. That's too much coincidence for me.

> He fled, but he was still dangerous (as were the Suebi). He would
> have wanted revenge. Could Caesar have sent an assassin to "get
> him"?

The most expedient way to do this would be to apply political pressure on the Noricans to show their 'good will' to make up for bad judgment in the past, cf. the fate of Pompey on Egypt. But I think Caesar would have one extra motive to get Ariovistus out of the way; I think they were once in cahoots, cf. Kadlubek's remarks on Caesar's change of mind under pressure from the senate.

> From amongst some of the Germani who didn't care for this warlord?
> (I still prefer the view he was killed in 58 "en route" to his
> early haunts.) *****

Here's a variant: Ariovistus went to Magrè to meditate and work on his skills of prediction, which had obviously failed him.



Torsten