Re: Costoboci

For Dio Cassius, costoboci people are "Petoporani dacians" (cf. loci VI regi(s) dac(i) Petoporani - see also Tabula Peut.)
Of course they are dacians, the most northern ones, but I have serious doubts they were inhabited other areas than Lipita/Lypytsia. Also, theres no argument to considere this etnoname "costoboci" a sarmatian one - more probably, it can be linked wits some celtic tribal names.

For Marius: Ma indoiesc ca Trifulon, Patridava si Carsidava pot fi asciate cu costobocii (asa cum pare a rezulta din lectura grabita a cotelor greografice ale lui Ptolemeu) - aceste asezari sunt mai la sud, in aria atribuibila caucoensilor. Altminteri, intru totul de acord: de altfel, nu exista nici o atestare de locuire sarmatica in regiune, iar informatiile literare antice nu lasa loc de alte interpretari. Considerentele fonetice sunt pur speculative in acest caz.

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:
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> --- On Fri, 10/23/09, alexandru_mg3 <alexandru_mg3@...> wrote:
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> > 1. Costoboci was a Dacian Tribe not a Sarmatian one...
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> ****GK: Their location in Pliny's NH. 6.19 hardly proves this, and Pliny identifies the original Costoboci (his source was likely Posidonius, though this is not entirely certain) as Sarmatians. The name "Costoboci" was subsequently applied to an alliance of many ethna northeast of the Carpathians. I've summarizeed the data in the original post.****
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> > 2. Pieporus phonetic shows 'the famous' e/accented > ye trasnformation presents in Dacian, Romanian and Albanian....
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> ****GK: No one denies that a Dacian group was part of the Costobocan complex. The Lypytsia culture was undoubtedly Dacian. Pieporus and co. almost certainly came from them. But the Lypytsia culture was only a part (and not the major part) of the Costobocan area.*****
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> ==And the Ptolemy evidence merely confirms that Dacians resided in the Costobocan area. Which no one denies. But the original name was that of a Sarmatian tribe, which must have been dominant at the inception of the complex.*****
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